Hi Jerry, I guess Bernd has to translate the funny poem, as I'm just on the jump out of the door to Ensisheim, (where we all hope that the mayor will stay away from our show).
Best! Martin -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Jerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. Juni 2007 08:23 An: Martin Altmann; [email protected] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Global Warming - Scientifically provenor afarce Hey Martin, Have one of your best visits to Ensisheim. When you return maybe you'll peruse this? I found a "translation" but I'm a somewhat baffled as to what one, Frost, Has to do with the other, Erhardt? Unless you're offering alternative catastrophic end of days. If that's the case, I believe my point has been missed. I see Frost's "Some say.." as married to the List's recent thread. Yes, he rather insightfully, albiet poeticly, dismisses any shread of disparity in consequences of the cycles of glaciation and its counterpoint, Cycles which feed off and precipatate one another, by the way. [Check out the GIA principle] But more importantly, I referred to him as a vehicle to reiterate that CYCLES are part and parcel of the climatological history of Earth. In earlier posts I'd referred to Milankovitch and Shackleton, Sun Spots, seafloor cores, tree rings, etc., Not to convince anyone on either side of the "debate" of anything other than that our planet has undergone such a history. I too can personally, anecdotally offer my limited experience as to a "warming trend". Today, Creationist "science" confronts Geologic records. Time spans and the records they provide are laid waste by people whose intentions are more than likely well meaning and earnest. The glory of a hard wrought struggle wrested from the stone is trivialized in a reversal of logic and sabateur mentality. Short sighted, no? Yet how DOES one convince someone of something about which they've made up their minds? Will billions be spent by earnest well intentioned peers in an effort to forstall a current climatological swing of the pendulum? Probably. Will these efforts deminish these effects? Maybe. Will this effort provide countless people with income and positive activity. I imagine. As human's, we register on anyone's radar looking to lay blame. Heck look at "Original Sin" Where else can we search? "and trouble deaf heaven with our bootless cries" But I imagine that blame is a form of anthropmorhism emenating from the utter anguish of our own tenuous existence? As a member of a list that collects and considers a most powerful influence on climate [and other gruesome consequences], This instrument Has instantaneously concluded and subsequently SHALL conclude all humble attempts at meaning. To be able to hold one of these wonders in my hands never ceases to inspire me. I find pondering these messengers' beginning and histories, Blends Science and Art, in an inextricable web trandsending both. To me the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Spirituality is at its core, shining with the brilliance of a billion suns. So not to consider these alternatives is a tragedy of epic proportions. Conclusions may be illusive and illusury, persuit, nevertheless is a device granting us some power. So "fight" on comrades, life IS the struggle. I hope that these ramblings don't impinge upon anyone's sensibilities. That's what the delete button's for. "One would have all mountains of the whole world, gathered and placed on top of each other and would be to feet of this massif, a rieiges sea, a broad and low. And fell now, under thunders and lightnings the mountain into this sea - well, which squirt würd'! ; -)" (Heinz Erhardt) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Altmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Global Warming - Scientifically provenor afarce " Hätte man sämtliche Berge der ganzen Welt, zusammengetragen und übereinandergestellt und wäre zu Füßen dieses Massivs, ein riesiges Meer, ein breites und tiefs. Und stürzte nun, unter Donnern und Blitzen der Berg in dieses Meer - na das würd' spritzen!" Heinz Erhardt Sorry, Jerry, no time for translation, Ensisheim is coming! Martin -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Gerald Flaherty Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Juni 2007 18:27 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [email protected] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Global Warming - Scientifically provenor afarce "SOME say the world will end in fire Some say ice From what I've tasted of desire I'd hold those who favor fire But if it had to perish twice I think I know enough of hate To know that for destruction Ice is great And would suffice" Robert Frost AKA chillman Jerry Flaherty ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Global Warming - Scientifically proven or afarce > Good evening Folks, > > Not wanting to intentionally stir the "pot of angst", I won't share my > opinions regarding the validity of the global warming theory......in great > part > because it conflicts with the beliefs of roughly half of the List and, > arguably, > neither extreme (entirely pro or con) position is capable of clear and > convincing scientific proof at this stage. And also, because, in greater > part, I will > admit that I am truly uncertain which argument has greater credibility. > > I would submit two widely held, and generally accepted, scientific > theorems > to consider before taking sides in this debate: > 1. Entropy > 2. 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