> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Dr. Richard Daniels is a pseudonym for > RandallGregory, my way of not asking peo > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:48:00 -0400 > > > Dear Randall, > > You were asking the List what they thought these stones were worth, and also > asked opinions of what they might fetch on eBay. > If you don't recall, check the archives. > > This was after you acquired samples. > These weren't simply curious questions - the motive was obvious and > undeniable. > > I have to say that your posing as "Dr Richard Daniels", and in at least one > post you made as him you had the audacity to refer to "Randall Gregory" > (yourself!) in a positive light! This leads me to believe that you are of low > ethics, and have no respect for other members of the List. > > Another List member asked you for specific details of your "Doctor" title. > > Will you answer him? > > Until you do, I will have to consider you as a fraud without any credibility. > > Sincerely, > Pete > > ________________________________ > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:06:19 -0700 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dr. Richard Daniels is a pseudonym for > RandallGregory, my way of not asking peo > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Pete, (post please) > > Where is this ebay auction you're talking about? I still have all the stones > in my possession and haven't made a single dime. I'm in the process of > donating them to scientific institutions. I'll see what I have left when I'm > done. > > Randall > > Pete Pete wrote: > > > > > > My sentiments, exactly, Martin! > > > > Pete > > > > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:24:33 +0200 >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dr. Richard Daniels is a pseudonym for >> RandallGregory, my way of not asking people to post for me >> >> Mr. Randall, >> >> I think I'm not the only one on that list here, who has the feeling, that >> your posts are highly inconsistent. >> >> First we could read from you, that you're not sure about, that there is a >> main mass some down below in the soil at all and that the crater/pit should >> be preserved. >> We read, that the poor locals should profit from the finds made there, that >> all fragments collected and sold by locals without agreement of the land >> owner are stolen goods and how immoral it is to sell such goods on ebay. >> And that the best solution would be, that the meteorites and the crater >> would be property of the Peruvian state as national treasure + that the >> Peruvian scientists would be experienced enough to handle the case. >> >> In the same mails and later we read, that you not only have bought some >> material at a not directly generous price, but that you bought it from the >> local authorities, who had confiscated the material from people, who >> collected it illegally (according your own words). >> To give money to authorities to obtain secured material - hence either >> property of state or in custody of the state is a simple act of corruption. >> >> And contradicting your own moral standards you started immediately to fence >> those stones via ebay and to dealers like Matteo. >> >> After on the list was discussed, that there is a probability that the main >> mass could exist below the crater and Farmer/Karl/Ward travelled to the >> site, you showed an immediate eagerness to lead an initiative to excavate >> it. >> >> Now, when they entered the scene offering the locals - remember your own >> mails, who are poor and should profit from that situation - a much higher >> and adequate price for the material, which they collected than you did with >> your (seen from the collectors point of view) ridiculous price, >> you seem not to be delighted. >> >> And furthermore you condemn, that they sensitized the population about the >> importance of that case, in giving them a more adequate imagination that the >> possible main mass is more important than the crater and that it has a high >> value, which lead to the exact result, which you always wanted from the >> beginning on, but which you weren't able to accomplish, >> that the importance and the basic necessity to act was finally recognized on >> a national level. Instead to be happy about that, and also that the area is >> now protected by police from further "looting", you call it now an >> "irreparable damage". >> >> And with all respect, the questions about meteorites, you posed here on the >> list, give not directly an impression, that you're an expert in meteoritics, >> neither do I see, why you should be entitled for the " all your work at >> preservation" and not rather the Peruvian scientists, who - at least you >> expressed it so in one of your early mails - are in your opinion >> sufficiently trained to investigate that fall. >> >> So even if we let that strange issues from the private mails Farmer >> published here aside, >> the observer will see a remarkable bigotry in your emails and will most >> probably come to the conclusion, that your motivation isn't morale but >> profane greed. >> >> Regards, >> Martin >> >> >> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Dr. >> Richard Daniels >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Oktober 2007 11:46 >> An: [email protected] >> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Dr. Richard Daniels is a pseudonym for >> RandallGregory, my way of not asking people to post for me >> >> XXX, >> >> This is critical, I'll try to post but if it doesn't make it could you >> send it to someone that will post. I know you want to stay out of the >> middle. >> >> I reviewed the report sent in by Mr. Farmer today and then I asked my >> Peruvian wife to her to call my friends in Desaguadero to find out >> what the situation is. I read Mike's field report and he had mentioned >> that they started to pump out the water in the crater and I was >> curious to know if they found the meteorite. >> >> This is the story as my wife is relating to me after she talked to my >> friend. Major Victor Anaya Barrientos of the Peruvian National Police >> located in the town of Desaguadero. >> >> Apparently, Mike and his associated went to the town of Desaguadero >> and used their method of posting flyers and soliciting citizens to >> sell them meteorites.They told people that the meteorite pieces were >> very very valuable and they would pay good money for any samples. I >> guess they made offers on a per gram basis that sent these people into >> a frenzy. They never went to the municipality and asked for any kind >> of permission. And they never made any contacts with scientists or >> researchers in Peru. Local citizens swarmed to the site to look for >> pieces and almost caused a riot. Apparently, the Spanish speaking >> person with Mike told the people of the community that there was a big >> meteorite in the hole and it was worth alot of money. This is the >> equivalent of starting a revolution. The people gathered at the >> municipality demanding that the government extract the meteorite. The >> mayor of the city complied under duress, and started to pump out the >> water. Meanwhile, news of this revolution went from the local to the >> national level. >> >> Local people were upset as they expected the city to find this million >> dollar meteorite that Mike and his friends told them. This caused so >> many problems with the municipality that the Minister of Interior at >> the national level has issued an order to close the site declaring >> that the site government property. The site now has a 24 hour police >> guard and everyone is forbidden from entering the site. Mike never >> realized the consequences of his actions. The reason he and his >> friends were harassed was the police believed that they were >> "trafficantes" or traffickers. The police were entirely correct in >> their assessment, and gave a message to Mike that they wanted him and >> his friends to leave. >> >> The damage he caused might be irreparable. I intend on visiting the >> site in a short time to see what the situation is and report back to >> the list. I will try to work with my colleagues in Peru and Bolivia, >> the Universities to organize an effort to extract the meteorite as a >> National Treasure for the people of Peru. I believe this meteorite can >> be still be saved and the crater preserved. But now that the national >> government is involved, all my work at preservation might have been in >> vain. >> >> Right now, I am furious with Mike and his actions. No respect for >> people. I am also deeply offended when he called the Mayor and other >> Peruvian scientists stupid. Here is a man with a high school education >> calling college educated professionals stupid. He called Desaguadero >> a "craphole". Yes, it is a very poor city high in the Andes and is no >> way plush as the area of Tuscon he lives in. He went in with his >> greedy little plan and hurt alot of people, while never trying to >> understand the culture or the people. Just criticism and a ton of >> negativity toward everything. The Peruvians are good, decent, >> hard-working, and religious people and I happy and proud to be >> associated with them. Besides the damage he caused in Desaguadero, I >> believe he tarnished the image of meteoritic community. >> >> It really makes me think, What is the definition of a "professional" >> meteorite hunter? >> >> I take responsibility for everything I say in this post and I am >> expecting criticism. After I read Mike's field report, I sent him an >> e-mail. I won't post it to the list, but it is available to anyone >> that wants to read it. >> >> I am now appealing to the meteoritic community of scientists to help >> me at a national level so our government can contact and assist the >> government of Peru in extracting this meteorite. Every meteorite has >> the potiential to harbor organic compounds or fossilized remains and >> should be studied. Give me leads or referrals is all I ask. >> >> >> Randall >> ______________________________________________ >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> ______________________________________________ >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > Show your pals how you really feel! 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