Hi Doug and Everyone,
but I think the Haviland/Greenburg/Brenham situation >illustrates this fine
given the community pride there.
This name has confused me for some time. I have seen references to all
three being used to refer to pallasites. I have also seen references to all
three being used to describe an iron (non-pallasite) meteorite.
What is "official."
-Walter Branch
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From: "mexicodoug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ...Mail or Algeria...
Hello, Anne, Greg, List (old message that didn't post properly, sort of a
'synonym' superceded by my post to Martin),
Anne, I must disagree. A synonym in biology is "A scientific name of an
organism or of a taxonomic group that has been superseded by another name
at the same rank.". While you may be thinking about the non-scientific
"synonym", or the type of synonym used in botany which leaves room for
interpretation in classification, I expect the NomCom has a steadfast
policy.
I don't think it is a good idea to see the 35 synonyms of Campo del Cielo
including "El Taco" as "accepted" plastered all over collections, eBay, as
being implied with Oum Dreyga (still wondering, is Serpent-mother a
translation?). At issue is not whether the meteorite has been called
Amgala in the past - this obviously is the case or there would be nothing
to talk about.
Being "accepted" as a synonym to me means nothing more than a confirmation
that this synonym is scientifically obsolete the way I interpret this, and
the MetSoc/USGS database is trying to be helpful to insure official
nomenclature so old names can be properly classified, not to perpetuate
unofficial (but recognized before the modern science was done) synonyms.
But I could be wrong as my ... always tells me:-),
In the words of Zelimir referencing Captain Blood (May 11, 2005: Is Amgala
Official?: excerpted from met-list)
"...Oum Dreyga is just as fine as Juancheng. Hey Marcin, you'll get used
to it soon. You can talk about Amgala but you should sooner or later
re-write your labels with the new name, so as to fit the official
decisions, and remain the serious and reliable dealer you are now. After
all, be happy thet the Nom Com maintained "Bensour", another name that was
used everywhere, everytime, before the official classification....
"You are completely right Michael. This is true not only in Botany but
also in the recent meteorite history. A couple of years ago, I purchesed
"Turkmenbashi" and "Heze" (names that are still on the original labels).
Many of us probably still remember that these names now respectively
correspond to the well (best) known meteorites
"Kunya Urgensh" and "Juancheng". There should be many other such
examples, Canon Diablo included"
My thoughts (almost) exactly! Thanks Zelimir.
As to Greg's suggestion, the only bulletin that comes up after I looked,
as Anne mentioned lists the official name as Oum Dreyga in MB89 and
mentions in the description, "Fragments have been sold under the names
Amgala and Gor Lefcah." That is the reference as to why it is a "synonym"
on line. Simply because fragments of Oum Dreyga have been sold as those
two names.
Perhaps listing them for sale on eBay as Gor Lefcah (or Amgala) is
considered "adhering to the highest standards of meteorite identification
and proper labeling practices," but I amicably disagree. If my
assumptions are mistaken, and the MetSoc guidelines support this, I will
proceed to relabel all of my meteorites with the names I like better that
are synonyms and talk about them as such.
This gets to Greg's interesting comment on whether a meteorite is named
where it starts being recovered or where most falls when given these
options. I would think the main mass is the most logical, but these are
decisions for the NomCom as the competent governing body and probably open
to comment before publication by interested parties.
It is important to realize that a significant amount of pride comes to
many towns and villages when a meteorite is named after their population.
There are many meteorites published in previous bulletins that chose one
name over another for considerations like Greg's, and this does make some
people feeling left out, especially when not much else is is on the list
of attractions. I could mention a long list in less affluent countries,
but I think the Haviland/Greenburg/Brenham situation illustrates this fine
given the community pride there.
Best wishes and great health,
Doug
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