Dear Randy & list,

Randy, I fully appreciated your very explicit statement regarding metallic phases in lunars. This is actually important and fundamental regarding the orgin of metal or the history of lunar meteorites (and other) and I am surprised of the lack of reactions.

I have here a comment and a couple of questions

Comment:

I recently got (from the team Altmann/Ralew - Chladni'd Heirs) 2 small pieces of NWA 3186, still not officially approved by the NomCom but said to be a lunar olivine gabbro (classified by Greshake in Berlin) and suspected (at least by me but also by others) to be probably paired with NWA 773, 2727, 3333 and possibly the others ofthe series. The texture (from the sections cut and polished on my 0.753 g and 1.132 g fragments) fully resembles the pics shown on your link.

Well I carefully examined these sections under a simple 40x magnification (binocular with light oriented so as to have metallic reflexions favored). On the largest section (1.132 g piece) I clearly detected an about 0.3 mm Schreibersite area, possibly along with a couple of 10 times smaller such spots). This schreibersite (identified visually, thus through its special color/shade, by comparison with the same mineral observed on many other meteorite sections) is observed on the black breccia surface portion (about 60%, the other 40% being almost pure olivine as in the paired NWA's). I neither observed more schreibersite on the other piece, nor on my 0.277 g NWA 2977 slice (pure "olivine"-like texture), nor on any other of my other 14 lunar samples.

On examining all my lunar samples, just DAG 400 (lunar anorthosic breccia) clearly showed about 30-35 very tiny metallic spots (contamination totally excluded), that have the usual typical shade of the Fe,Ni metallic spots in most meteorites (steel-gray).

2 small questions:

- Did you ever observe screibersite domains on lunar meteorites (won't be a surprise if schreibersite originates from the impactor) and, if so, would the (Fe,NI,Co) phosphide be also be richer in Ni than, say, schreibersite found on other oc's ?

- Speculating that you for sure well know that NWA 3186, could you confirm it is also be paired with the others mentioned above ?

Thanks much for any comment or answer.

Best wishes to all,

Zelimir


Randy Korotev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :

Dear Tom:

All brecciated lunar meteorites contain some FeNi metal (<<1%), but you
may have to look hard in some.  (In others, like NWA 5000, you don't
have to look hard at all.)  The metal derives from impacts of
asteroidal meteorites with the Moon.  If the meteorite is an
impact-melt breccia, the metal probably melted and resolidified on the
Moon.  Regolith breccias, on the other hand, may contain FeNi metal
that hasn't been highly reprocessed.

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa0773.htm

NWA 2977, however, isn't a breccia.  It's an igneous rock (a cumulate
olivine gabbro), if your sample is like mine.  Lunar igneous rocks
contain very small amounts of metal, but the metal is indigenous to the
Moon and doesn't have the composition of meteoritic metal.  I see that
one report on NWA 733 (almost-for-sure a pair to NWA 2977) did mention
"grains of Fe,Ni metal also occur in residual pockets but are rare."
Another says "Metal grains occur in very small masses with troilite and
are Ni-rich (55.5 wt.% Ni, 40.9% Fe, 1.5% Co, 0.03% P)."  That
composition isn't meteoritic (in meteorites, the Ni/Co ratio is nearly
always in the 10-24 range).

When you say "The thin [section] is polished to 1/4 micron," do you
mean the section is only 1/4 micron thick (amazing!) or the final
polish was done with 1/4 micron abrasive?  In a standard thin section
(30-35 microns), metal is totally opaque, so I don't see how it shows
up in polarized light (?)  How does it look in reflected light?

Sincerely,
Randy Korotev




At 17:41 09-08-08, you wrote:
Hi list,  I had a question about an iron  fleck I found in a thin section of
NWA 2977 Lunar.  Jim Strope sent it to  me.

I plan to use this as next months Meteorite Times Micro Vision and  want to
be accurate.

The thin is polished to 1/4 micron.  This  sometimes has the same effect as
etching but on a much finer scale. I have observed it in other materials that
get this kind of polish.

There is a fleck of iron in this material. In this fleck is what looks like
micro  Widmanstatten pattern.

Can this pattern be called  Widmanstatten?  If not, are the creation
processes the same as with full sized Widmanstatten? How would it be still present
in a lunar?  Could  the pattern survive a meteor collision with the moon and
not be heated to the  point of destruction?

I would like to email micrographs to any one who is  interested or, even
better, might have the answers.

The images are taken  in incident cross polarized light and I am using a
Glan/Thompson style polarizer that allows me near total extinction. I pull up
the changes in the pattern  by slight rotation of the polarizer.  The
magnification of these images is  1600X.

Thanks,  Tom Phillips

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