Hello,
Well said...
Best Wishes
Michael Cottingham
On Jul 15, 2009, at 9:17 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:
I think what you say goes for any community. Certainly in the
scientific ones.
Take Robert Oppenheimer for example, who was director of the
Manhattan project. A genius, and a charismatic figure. But he had
a real caustic side also. If he felt that a student was asking an
elementary question, he would humiliate him or her in front of the
other students. But if he took a liking to you, it was completely
different. Here was a man who did not win a Nobel prize, yet he
supervised several Nobel prize winners. He was a man who was in
charge of a billions of dollars worth of spending, but his only
prior budgetary experience was at a university Department of Physics.
In spite of all his genius and charisma, it was still his caustic
side - the failure to treat all people who did not have his
intelligence - the newcomers for lack of a better word - that was
his downfall.
No, I don't think the meteorite community is any different than
other types of communities. You have all types of people. Some are
more vocal than others. But the true greats - and they are few and
far between in any field of endeavor - have the smarts as well as
empathy for the people who they deal with - and they are not out to
prove anything to anyone. The accomplishments speak louder than the
words.
Mark Grossman
----- Original Message ----- From: "GREG LINDH" <gee...@msn.com>
To: <mar...@westnet.com>
Cc: "meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:02 AM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE
BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
Hi Mark,
I don't know whether Bob Haag is the best hunter/collector, but I
can tell you that he is the nicest guy you could want to know, and
that is a rare thing in the meteorite community. I met him at the
Tucson show a couple of years ago and he knew that I was a newbie
and that I couldn't even begin to afford the stuff he was selling,
but he took *a lot* of his time and just talked and encouraged me.
I'll tell you what, that is a *rare* thing to see in this community.
Greg
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From: mar...@westnet.com
To: mikew...@gilanet.com
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:13:38 -0400
CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE
BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
Trust me, you don't want to know!
I am an industrial hygienist, and the profession has changed so
much over
the years. It used to be about protecting worker health and safety
- now so
much of the profession is devoted to mold investigation, asbestos
remediation and lead remediation.
It frequently comes down to chasing the almighty dollar.
Perhaps things will change with the new administration in
Washington, but I
really don't know.
In any event, sorry to go off topic for a moment.
Back to business - I am fairly new to the meteorite field, but the
name Bob
Haag comes to my mind. Whether this is a reasonable choice, I don't
know.
But this will give you an indication of who new people coming to
the hobby
think - right or wrong. I will leave it for others on the list to
discuss
the merits.
But when I think of physics, I think Einstein. When I think of
Chemistry, I
think Lavoisier. Granted, these are deceased.
But I feel really strongly about the concept. The great people,
whoever
they are and in whatever field, just become known by their
accomplishments,
regardless of any promotion and hype. If it's just promotion and
hype, they
are soon forgotten, so history becomes the ultimate judge.
In any event, thanks for the question! Kind of interesting!
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "michael cottingham"
To: "Mark Grossman"
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE
BEST
ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
Hello,
I can agree with what you say... I am now actually very curious
about who
the best mold investigator is though?!!
Best Wishes
Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:
You have the advantage on me here.
But regardless, the concept holds true for whatever field. If you
have
to ask who is the best, and there is confustion in the particular
community, THE best is yet to be determined.
Holds true for meteorite hunters as well as any other
professionals (in
my opinion, that is!)
Believe me, if there is a mold investigator who is the best without
question, there is - or eventually will be - a meteorite hunter who
everyone acknowledges is THE best.
Mark
----- Original Message ----- From: "michael cottingham"
To: "Mark Grossman"
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS
THE BEST
ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
But Actually, Nininger did NOT personally find that many
meteorites.
That is the confusion. He is Great, I understand that, but as
far as
personal recoveries, where the hunter actually found the
meteorite,
Nininger found very, very few...
Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:46 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:
No - still true - look how many times Nininger was mentioned
within
the first few minutes of your post.
If there is confusion, then THE best is yet to be determined!
Mark Grossman
----- Original Message ----- From: "michael cottingham"
To: "Mark Grossman"
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS
THE
BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
Actually, I don't believe that is true... evidence is abundantly
clear that in the field of meteorites there is confusion on the
subject.
Best Wishes
Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:29 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:
Simple question.
You don't have to determine who it is. Everyone in the
particular
community just knows.
And it's not a question of TV shows, or magazine articles. Just
reputation built on accomplishment.
Doesn't matter what field it is - physics, chemistry, mold
investigation, etc.
Everyone just knows.
Mark Grossman
----- Original Message ----- From: "michael cottingham"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE
BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
Hello,
This is a simple question or is it? How do you determine who
is
the best and most successful meteorite hunter in the world?
I am curious?
Michael
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