Mike, 
Sorry list. Bob Haag was my partner in Peru. Unlike you he is a very 
charismatic and motivational Man. He never complains about anything. You could 
learn a lot from a man like Bob. ( and many others) 
You act more like a pathological Narcissist than a motivator. 
I have never felt welcome in your precious room. That is why I never bought 
anything there. And you have already told me you did not want to sell to me 
anymore. Go figure that one out? 
HELLO. 
--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
IMCA 5829
Meteoritemax


---- Michael Farmer <[email protected]> wrote: 
> 
> Carl, this is out of control.
> you were never in Peru for Carancas fall, please admit that to the list. 
> Bob Haag can prove me right, as I spoke to him and he told me all about it.  
> Did you go to Carancas with Bob? NO, so please stop telling us all about what 
> went on there as you really have no clue actually.
> Thanks
> I am not mud-slinging, I am showing what you are doing and it is wrong.
> You are not welcome in my room at the Tucson show. 
> You just insulted Anne minutes ago, now you try to take it back.
> Just stop.
> Michael Farmer
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 7/17/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pitiful excuse for a meteorite hunter Carl 
> > Esparza
> > To: [email protected]
> > Cc: [email protected], [email protected], 
> > [email protected]
> > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 1:02 PM
> > WOW, 
> > I will take my chances with Anne and IMCA. Unlike yourself,
> > Anne is one of the honorable list members. She knows me well
> > enough to know that I did not intentionally violate any
> > rules. We all are entitled to an opinion and you and I seem
> > to disagree often. I don't know why this is on list though.
> > Here you go again mud slinging. As I recall it was you that
> > acused me of misrepresenting Carancas not the other way
> > around. I simply pointed out that those nice folks in Peru
> > invited our team to lunch while you say they threatened your
> > life. Well Mike we all write our own epitaph and yours is
> > well known. This may be a good episode for that wonderful
> > show, "Meteorite Men"? OUCH ! Sorry I could not resist. . 
> > Carl --
> > Carl or Debbie Esparza
> > IMCA 5829
> > Meteoritemax
> > 
> > 
> > ---- [email protected]
> > wrote: 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > WOW 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Can you say EX-IMCA member. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Carl, you were rejected because of things like calling
> > me a "psycho" and worse names. 
> > > 
> > > The list archives are full of bad things you have said
> > about me. Do you honestly think  I would hunt with you
> > after the things you have said about me regarding Carancas?
> > 
> > > 
> > > Man, my day is getting brighter from the sheer idiocy
> > of this. 
> > > 
> > > Michael Farmer 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: [email protected]
> > 
> > > To: [email protected],
> > [email protected],
> > [email protected]
> > 
> > > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:26:49 AM GMT -07:00
> > U.S. Mountain Time (Arizona) 
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pitiful excuse for a
> > meteorite hunter Carl Esparza 
> > > 
> > > Anne, 
> > > It is hard to believe that you would put this on the
> > list. 
> > > Respectfully , this is not Jack's find. Sure Jack can
> > claim ownership of his finds and nobody is going to take
> > them away from him but give us all a break here. This is a
> > fall that was observed by dozens of people and there are
> > dozens of us out looking for evidence of it. I don't think
> > this hit Jack on the head. I think he also had to figure
> > this out. Why is he any better than the rest of us???? I
> > simply asked what Mike drives as verification but obviously
> > I had already figured out the general area. Cat Mountain was
> > also this big secret that I had to do a lot of work to find
> > out where it was. I then shared this info with others and it
> > resulted in the discovery of Snyder Hill while they were
> > looking. This is all good and if you don't agree I am sorry
> > but How can you say  that this is Jack's find???? That is
> > ridiculous! 
> > > I did not post the location but I did ask Mike if I
> > could help earlier and he rejected me. This would have made
> > this location confidential. Now I'm not so sure? And Jack
> > never personally even bothered to respond to my list posts
> > and requests to help. As you know I offered to rescue these
> > critters before they drown in the rains. They said no. 
> > > I don't know what material is left to be found but
> > hopefully now more will be found before they do drown. Again
> > this is all good. 
> > > PS what is your call on the leak of a private email
> > your Honor?   
> > > -- 
> > > Carl or Debbie Esparza 
> > > IMCA 5829 
> > > Meteoritemax 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ---- [email protected]
> > wrote: 
> > > > No, Mike, 
> > > > 
> > > > The IMCA does not condone this type of behavior.
> > IMCA members are expected 
> > > > to behave in a professional and ethical manner.
> > Please go read our code of 
> > > > Ethics, on the IMCA website,  _www.IMCA.cc_ (http://www.IMCA.cc) . 
> > > >   
> > > > It is Jack Schaeder's discovery, and Jack's
> > wishes should be respected. 
> > > >   
> > > > But dreams of new meteorites will mislead people.
> > 
> > > > Surely you know that. 
> > > > 
> > > > Anne M. Black 
> > > > _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
> > > > [email protected]_
> > (mailto:[email protected])
> > 
> > > > Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. 
> > > > _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > In a message dated 7/17/2009 10:57:13 AM Mountain
> > Daylight Time, 
> > > > [email protected]
> > writes: 
> > > > Hello list, I was forwarded an email that Carl
> > Esparza, proud IMCA member, 
> > > > sent to some other Arizona residents. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > IMCA, do you approve of your members, supposedly
> > the people of the highest 
> > > > integrity he, he,he he, stooping to spying on
> > other people? Is there any 
> > > > action that can be taken on this matter. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > This shows how pitiful some of these people are,
> > too lazy to do their own 
> > > > homework, and so deceitful that they will resort
> > to pitiful spying on other 
> > > > list members rather than do their homework. 
> > > > 
> > > > This type of crap is EXACTLY why you are not
> > welcome. 
> > > > 
> > > > Take this hint, learn how to hunt meteorites and
> > stop trying to worm your 
> > > > way in. It takes work to find a meteorite, not
> > scams. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > "Hello, Would any of you fellow Arizonians share
> > with me off-List what kind 
> > > > of vehicle Mike Farmer drives. Hint- I have been
> > hunting the Benson area 
> > > > Fall and don't know what kind or color of cars to
> > look for. I promise to share 
> > > > results if any. Thank you. 
> > > > Carl Esparza 
> > > > IMCA 5829 
> > > > Meteoritemax" 
> > > > **************Can love help you live longer? Find
> > out now. 
> > > > (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweu
> > 
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