Greg, you are absolutely correct, and believe me, it won't happen again. Silence is golden from now on. Michael Farmer
--- On Fri, 7/17/09, Greg Catterton <star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com> wrote: > From: Greg Catterton <star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pitiful excuse for a meteorite hunter Carl > Esparza > To: meteorh...@aol.com > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 1:26 PM > > I have talked to many members of this list about this > fall. > I think it would have been best to keep it quiet from day > one. > By showing it off and talking about it was much like taking > a kid into a candy store and not letting them get any - > IMO. > > All the drama could have been avoided if the people hunting > it would have kept quiet from the start. Surely you guys > must have known that there would be bad feelings about > this... > > Since my first post about this, I have wanted to keep quiet > as to not get caught up in anymore then I already have but I > have to say that the people who found this should not have > made anything public if they did not want others out there, > plain and simple. > > I too would like to understand why people out there dont > want others in their "backyard" yet feel it is perfectly > accpetable for them to do the same exact thing in West. > > I think alot of BS and drama could have been avoided by > keeping it total secret rather then the method of "look what > we found, but your not allowed to know where" > > This has caused alot of drama on this list and I hope the > fall was worth it to those hunting and showing off the > finds... I also hope that in the future if anyone who finds > a new fall does not want others out there or asking that > they simply keep quiet about it. > > Greg C. > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, meteorh...@aol.com > <meteorh...@aol.com> > wrote: > > > From: meteorh...@aol.com > <meteorh...@aol.com> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pitiful excuse for a > meteorite hunter Carl Esparza > > To: cdtuc...@cox.net, > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, > impact...@aol.com, > meteorite...@yahoo.com > > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 2:52 PM > > Carl, Anne and Mike, > > > > I am a bit bewildered about this as well. > > > > If Carl had asked what car Farmer drove because he > > wanted to slit his car > > tires, that would be one thing. But I don't > > think that is the case here. > > > > When I was at West hunting, and finding lots of > > rocks, would I ever think > > someone was doing something unethical if someone > > asked what car I was > > driving or where I was parked and hunting? > > No. Would I want them to know? Not > > always. So sometimes I would hide my car, or > > take someone else's to a > > hunting spot. > > > > If someone found my car, would I be mad at them? > No. > > Would I file an > > ethics complaint with the IMCA? No. > > > > In fact, one afternoon I returned from a field near > > where we had pulled a > > lot of West stones out, only to see Farmer standing > > by my car waiting. > > Others around said he was waiting there for over a > > half hour to talk with me. > > Did he do anything unethical by doing that? I > > don't think so. > > > > Did that make me want to share all my strewnfield > > data with Mike even > > though he was almost crying on the this list > begging > > for me to share it? No, > > his attitude made me want to keep my info even more > > secret. > > > > I find it flattering that Mike finally comes around > > to my way of thinking > > as he gains more experience, as he has in this > case. > > > > > > Mike calls this a "Blood sport" but turns around > and > > cries "foul" when > > someone wants to know what car he is > > driving? Interesting. > > > > (This is where I would normally insert a humorous > > insult towards Mike, but > > I want the record to show that I have refrained > from > > doing so.) > > > > Steve Arnold > > of "Meteorite Men" > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/17/2009 1:27:52 P.M. Central > > Daylight Time, > > cdtuc...@cox.net > > writes: > > Anne, > > It is hard to believe that you would put this on > the > > list. > > Respectfully , this is not Jack's find. Sure Jack > can > > claim ownership of > > his finds and nobody is going to take them away > from > > him but give us all a > > break here. This is a fall that was observed by > dozens > > of people and there > > are dozens of us out looking for evidence of it. I > don't > > think this hit Jack > > on the head. I think he also had to figure this out. > Why is > > he any better > > than the rest of us???? I simply asked what Mike > drives as > > verification but > > obviously I had already figured out the general area. > Cat > > Mountain was also > > this big secret that I had to do a lot of work > to find out > > where it was. I > > then shared this info with others and it resulted > in > > the discovery of > > Snyder Hill while they were looking. This is all > good > > and if you don't agree I > > am sorry but How can you say that this is > > Jack's find???? That is > > ridiculous! > > I did not post the location but I did ask Mike if I > > could help earlier and > > he rejected me. This would have made this location > > confidential. Now I'm > > not so sure? And Jack never personally even > bothered > > to respond to my list > > posts and requests to help. As you know I offered > to > > rescue these critters > > before they drown in the rains. They said no. > > I don't know what material is left to be found but > > hopefully now more will > > be found before they do drown. Again this is all > > good. > > PS what is your call on the leak of a private email > your > > Honor? > > -- > > Carl or Debbie Esparza > > IMCA 5829 > > Meteoritemax > > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. > See > > yours in just 2 easy > > steps! > > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823307x1201398715/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= > > JulystepsfooterNO62) > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list