Wow:
All of this is pretty amazing. First of all, we ALL were newbies at some
point. Also, I think newbies buy alot of meteorites from dealers too. You
never know, a newbie now may spend 1000’s of $ over the next few years. Too
me it's very bad business to treat you customers poorly, or make fun of them.
That’s one wat to hurt sales. I joined this list to learn from the experts; if
their goal is to keep knowledge from me or look down at me, I think that's sad
and very disappointing. Then all this list becomes is a marketing site. Sure,
info about a new find or cold finds being confidential is understandable. But
what is wrong with helping someone with payment options to a Moroccan dealer?
All I can said is I only buy meteorites from certain dealers, there is a reason
for that – think about it.
Greg S.
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> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:14:42 -0700
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BEATING A DEAD HORSE - The future and beyond
>
>
> Well Greg...
>
> The way you ended your email pretty much says it all:
>
> Just my two pennies. From what I understand that is pyou pretty much all you
> have to spend. So you get deserve two cents worth. Pretty much way down on
> the food chain in my opinion.
>
> Business in the USA is a dog eat dog world. That is capitalizm dude. Didn't
> you learn anything in business school?
>
> That is what I am talking about, Business.
>
> Good lOrd get a clue dude.
>
> Howard Steffic
>
>
>> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:46:35 -0800
>> From: [email protected]
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BEATING A DEAD HORSE - The future and beyond
>>
>> I would have to agree with you Dave.
>>
>> I also think that it shows a good deal about someone who is willing to help
>> others, just as it shows a good deal about those that are not willing.
>>
>> Howards comments reflect a perfect example of why I have grown to have the
>> impression that meteorites are dog eat dog and question motives and reasons
>> for certain things.
>>
>> Should we really look at educating and helping newer collectors and
>> tomorrows hunters/dealers as "bad" and "training the competition" or should
>> we look at it as making sure those that will take the reigns of this great
>> hobby have learned from those that know how to do it right?
>>
>> Sure to some, meteorites are simply that "gold mine" or "money falling from
>> the sky" while to others, meteorites offer a chance to take part in
>> something, to learn about and take part in the study of space and history.
>>
>> I guess it all comes down to why people are into meteorites... For money, or
>> for the science of meteoritics. sure the money is good, I wont deny that,
>> but is that all its really about? No.
>>
>> We are gifted with some wonderful things from outside this planet that we
>> would never be able to touch, test, learn from or anything else many claim
>> to value and want to preserve. With that in mind, should it not be in all of
>> our best interests to make sure that the future generation has learned from
>> those that know how to properly document, record, preserve and care for the
>> collections we value so much today?
>>
>> Sure, some may look at it as training competition, but perhaps they should
>> really look at it as passing on a gift of knowledge to those that will
>> follow in the footsteps of the path they have already traveled...
>>
>> just my 2 pennies, hope everyone is having a good day!
>>
>>
>> Greg C.
>> www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
>> IMCA 4682
>>
>>
>> --- On Sat, 11/14/09, dave carothers wrote:
>>
>>> From: dave carothers
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments - BEATING A DEAD
>>> HORSEIs toMorocco
>>> To: "Howard Steffic" , [email protected]
>>> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 1:20 PM
>>> Howard,
>>>
>>> Respectfully...
>>>
>>> Reference your comment "I laugh at how the "newbies" expect
>>> the veterans
>>> with the battle scars to tell them exacty how to .... Hunt
>>> Meteorites or
>>> Sell on Ebay or send money overseas. Get off the couch and
>>> do your own
>>> legwork."
>>>
>>> Why should it bother YOU that someone should ask for for
>>> advice or
>>> assistance? Go back through the history of this list
>>> and you will see
>>> literally thousands of instances where dealers and
>>> professional hunters have
>>> freely offered advice and assistance to
>>> "newbies". You don't think people
>>> stay on this list for the ads, do you? You don't
>>> think people stay on this
>>> list for the disputes, cyber fist fights, etc, do
>>> you? I personally stay on
>>> this list (and I'm sure other do to) so we CAN ask for
>>> advice and assistance
>>> from the pros.
>>>
>>> I won't answer as to the motives or rationale of why
>>> dealers and
>>> professional hunters freely offer advice and assistance to
>>> "newbies", but
>>> suffice to say that I (and I know hundreds, maybe thousands
>>> of others over
>>> the history of this list) appreciate ALL the assistance
>>> offered by ANYONE on
>>> this list.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Howard Steffic"
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 12:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments -
>>> BEATING A DEAD
>>> HORSEIs toMorocco
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> My point is, and perhaps you can explain
>>> why......... Any meteorite
>>>> dealer or professional hunter should teach anybody how
>>> be a competitor?
>>>>
>>>> Do you think McDonalds would teach you how to run a
>>> restaurant?
>>>>
>>>> The logic that is used by some of these newbies is
>>> what is moronic. I
>>>> don't hunt or sell but if I did, I wouldn't expect
>>> anyone to teach me how
>>>> to be a competitor.
>>>>
>>>> Respectfully yours.....
>>>>
>>>> Howard Steffic
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: [email protected]
>>>>> To: [email protected];
>>> [email protected]
>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send
>>> payments - BEATING A DEAD
>>>>> HORSEIs toMorocco
>>>>> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:42:15 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>> Howard,
>>>>>
>>>>> Your comment is moronic. This group is as much
>>> about posting information
>>>>> to
>>>>> assist "newbies" as anything else. You should know
>>> better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Howard Steffic"
>>>>> To:
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 2:17 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send
>>> payments - BEATING A DEAD
>>>>> HORSEIs toMorocco
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is anyone else getting tired of this moronic
>>> discussion?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I laugh at how the "newbies" expect the
>>> veterans with the battle scars
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> tell them exacty how to .... Hunt Meteorites
>>> or Sell on Ebay or send
>>>>>> money overseas. Get off the couch and do your
>>> own legwork.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now lets give this thread a proper burrial and
>>> get back to meteorites.
>>>>>> Didn't someone actually find something (like a
>>> meteorite not an alien)
>>>>>> that we can talk about?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Howard Steffic
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:54:25 -0800
>>>>>>> From: [email protected]
>>>>>>> To: [email protected];
>>> [email protected];
>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to
>>> send payments from Canada
>>>>>>> toMorocco
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Brian and all,
>>>>>>> MoneyGram is available in Morocco, and
>>> Abdellah is a good person five
>>>>>>> stars in honesty and trust.
>>>>>>> My best
>>>>>>> Aziz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Brian Cox
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Brian Cox
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best
>>> ways to send payments from Canada
>>>>>>>> toMorocco
>>>>>>>> To: "Melanie Matthews" ,
>>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>>> Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 2:39
>>> PM
>>>>>>>> Hi Melanie,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm glad you are on top of this and
>>> that you are keeping in
>>>>>>>> touch with the seller. I'm glad he's
>>> mailing back your
>>>>>>>> postal money order. Hopefully the
>>> Moneyram will work out and
>>>>>>>> he'll accept it as he said and you'll
>>> get your new
>>>>>>>> meteorites.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wish you all the best and hope that
>>> you receive some
>>>>>>>> really great and rare meteorites in
>>> the group.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have a great day!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From:
>>> "Melanie Matthews"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To: "Brian Cox" ;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:15
>>> AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Best
>>> ways to send payments
>>>>>>>> from Canada toMorocco
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Brian, listers.
>>>>>>>> Actually it was a postal money order
>>> that I
>>>>>>>> mailed out to him (Mr. Abdellah
>>> Afiniss), and yes it
>>>>>>>> included the cost
>>>>>>>> of the stones plus the shipping costs.
>>> I asked him to mail
>>>>>>>> it back to
>>>>>>>> me and he said he did.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Once I get the slip back I'm going to
>>>>>>>> get back the money I put onto it and
>>> re-send the payment to
>>>>>>>> him -
>>>>>>>> probably via Moneygram (which he told
>>> me he accepts).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At first offered me a lot total of 8.5
>>> kgs of chondrites
>>>>>>>> (all
>>>>>>>> unclassified),, knowing full well I
>>> couldn't afford all
>>>>>>>> that I circled
>>>>>>>> some stones in Paint.net (free image
>>> editing program
>>>>>>>> similar to
>>>>>>>> MSPaint) that I wanted in the
>>> photographs, emailed back to
>>>>>>>> him and
>>>>>>>> kindly asked him to send me images of
>>> each meteorite I
>>>>>>>> picked sitting
>>>>>>>> on the scale to show their weights...
>>> I then worked out the
>>>>>>>> prices
>>>>>>>> until I made the final decition on
>>> buying five rocks
>>>>>>>> together weighing
>>>>>>>> 837 grams..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I said he has been very
>>> cooperative, and I thanks him
>>>>>>>> and I thank all here on the list for
>>> their
>>>>>>>> input/suggestions!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----------
>>>>>>>> Melanie
>>>>>>>> IMCA: 2975
>>>>>>>> eBay: metmel2775
>>>>>>>> Known on SkyRock Cafe as
>>> SpaceCollector09
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unclassified meteorites are like a box
>>> of chocolates... you
>>>>>>>> never know what you're gonna get!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:56:13
>>> -0600
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best
>>> ways to send
>>>>>>>> payments from Canada to Morocco
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello Melanie and list,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In regards to your question of
>>> sending payments to
>>>>>>>> Morocco, I have to ask a
>>>>>>>>> couple of questions and others
>>> also mentioned they
>>>>>>>> weren't clear on your
>>>>>>>>> question since you didn't seem to
>>> be including
>>>>>>>> shipping costs. I'd like to
>>>>>>>>> help you out and I mean this in
>>> the most thoughtful
>>>>>>>> and kindest way
>>>>>>>>> possible, so please don't take it
>>> negatively or have
>>>>>>>> any anger towards me.
>>>>>>>>> Make sure you include shipping
>>> costs when you were
>>>>>>>> determining the total
>>>>>>>>> amount of the payment you need to
>>> send to the seller
>>>>>>>> and then send a check
>>>>>>>>> and then say you couldn't afford
>>> the FedEx shipping
>>>>>>>> costs if that is what
>>>>>>>>> you agreed to buy from the seller?
>>> You have said this
>>>>>>>> in the past about not
>>>>>>>>> having money to pay for something
>>> or to pay for the
>>>>>>>> shipping costs. It's
>>>>>>>>> good to ask for help if you are
>>> not experienced in
>>>>>>>> sending payments outside
>>>>>>>>> of Canada beyond Paypal. This
>>> sounds like you decided
>>>>>>>> to send a check for
>>>>>>>>> the meteorites and then were going
>>> to decide about a
>>>>>>>> payment for the
>>>>>>>>> "shipping" as a separate payment
>>> or to pay for
>>>>>>>> shipping later on. Is this
>>>>>>>>> why you stated you couldn't afford
>>> the FedEx shipping
>>>>>>>> costs after you had
>>>>>>>>> sent your personal Canadian paper
>>> check? This doesn't
>>>>>>>> sound right why you
>>>>>>>>> wouldn't determine the full amount
>>> due to the seller
>>>>>>>> for the items with
>>>>>>>>> shipping and or insurance and then
>>> send one payment
>>>>>>>> and later decide you
>>>>>>>>> couldn't afford the shipping costs
>>> they gave you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, you stated you sent a "Paper
>>> Check" which, as I
>>>>>>>> am thinking is a
>>>>>>>>> "personal check" from your
>>> personal Canadian bank
>>>>>>>> account by what you wrote.
>>>>>>>>> I'm confused to why would you
>>> think that a personal
>>>>>>>> check from your Canadian
>>>>>>>>> bank account would be "valid" as
>>> you say, to a dealer
>>>>>>>> in Morocco, which I am
>>>>>>>>> sure it is valid in Canada and you
>>> have money in your
>>>>>>>> account, but most
>>>>>>>>> likely would not be accepted in
>>> Morocco or any other
>>>>>>>> country? You don't
>>>>>>>>> often hear of dealers in Asia,
>>> Africa, Europe or for
>>>>>>>> the most part any
>>>>>>>>> dealers in the U.S. or anywhere in
>>> North or South
>>>>>>>> America or Australia that
>>>>>>>>> would accept a personal Paper
>>> check from a bank in a
>>>>>>>> different country,
>>>>>>>>> although it may happen. A check
>>> from a Canadian bank
>>>>>>>> account or from a U.S.
>>>>>>>>> bank account or any personal paper
>>> check from any
>>>>>>>> other country most likely
>>>>>>>>> won't be accepted unless they
>>> verified with their bank
>>>>>>>> first that they could
>>>>>>>>> accept that check. An example
>>> would be if there was
>>>>>>>> Citibank in Canada and
>>>>>>>>> then Citibank in the U.S. would
>>> accept that check or
>>>>>>>> Citibank in England,
>>>>>>>>> etc. .I'm sure if the check was
>>> from a bank that had a
>>>>>>>> branch in that
>>>>>>>>> country that it would be accepted,
>>> but it usually
>>>>>>>> creates a hassle and is
>>>>>>>>> time consuming to stand in line or
>>> through an ATM. As
>>>>>>>> several members
>>>>>>>>> mentioned bank wire is the safest
>>> and then probably
>>>>>>>> FedEx payment, but
>>>>>>>>> sending a paper check or money
>>> order isn't a good idea
>>>>>>>> as Gary mentioned.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would like to offer a friendly
>>> suggestion to help
>>>>>>>> you out. Please make
>>>>>>>>> sure you discuss all the facts and
>>> figures with any
>>>>>>>> dealer/collector
>>>>>>>>> anywhere in the world before
>>> closing a deal. Remember
>>>>>>>> you are entering a
>>>>>>>>> contract with this dealer, whether
>>> it is on ebay or
>>>>>>>> through their website or
>>>>>>>>> through correspondence with the
>>> dealer. On ebay this
>>>>>>>> is stated as you are
>>>>>>>>> entering a contract so be mindful
>>> of this. You need to
>>>>>>>> finalize all costs.
>>>>>>>>> You need to get the full amount
>>> that you owe in
>>>>>>>> writing, email, etc. for the
>>>>>>>>> meteorites and any insurance and
>>> shipping and then you
>>>>>>>> need to first discuss
>>>>>>>>> the method of payment to that
>>> dealer before you send
>>>>>>>> any payment. I think
>>>>>>>>> your first mistake here was that
>>> it sounds as if you
>>>>>>>> didn't determine the
>>>>>>>>> full costs of the meteorites with
>>> shipping, then you
>>>>>>>> didn't ask the seller
>>>>>>>>> if he or she would accept a
>>> "Personal Paper Check from
>>>>>>>> another country. I
>>>>>>>>> think you will have much better
>>> luck and increase good
>>>>>>>> relations with
>>>>>>>>> dealers through online sales, ebay
>>> and through the
>>>>>>>> different meteorite lists
>>>>>>>>> you if you slow down and get the
>>> facts before making
>>>>>>>> purchases and payments.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As you have written on your posts
>>> the equivalent of
>>>>>>>> The Tom Hanks character
>>>>>>>>> from the Forest Gump movie, "Life
>>> is like a box of
>>>>>>>> chocolates." You need
>>>>>>>>> to stop and think that your eyes
>>> are bigger than your
>>>>>>>> stomach and stop and
>>>>>>>>> think of what you are wanting to
>>> bid on or buy first
>>>>>>>> and how to pay for it.
>>>>>>>>> There is an old saying in America
>>> that you may or may
>>>>>>>> not know in Canada.
>>>>>>>>> "Your eyes are bigger than your
>>> stomach" which roughly
>>>>>>>> means you saw the
>>>>>>>>> food on the menu and you ordered
>>> all that looked good
>>>>>>>> to eat, but your
>>>>>>>>> stomach wasn't big enough to eat
>>> it all and you became
>>>>>>>> very full before you
>>>>>>>>> could finish the meal. This is the
>>> same as the child
>>>>>>>> that fills their plate
>>>>>>>>> up and can't eat it all at home.
>>> This also goes along
>>>>>>>> with shopping at the
>>>>>>>>> store when you are hungry and
>>> buying too much, as in
>>>>>>>> buying more goodies
>>>>>>>>> than you needed. In this case
>>> looking at meteorites
>>>>>>>> you want to buy and then
>>>>>>>>> not carefully researching making a
>>> payment and then
>>>>>>>> feeling full of
>>>>>>>>> frustration and aggravation at how
>>> to make the payment
>>>>>>>> or what road to go
>>>>>>>>> down. I truly hope this helps in
>>> the future.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Have a great day!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best ways to send payments from
>>> Canada to Morocco
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi list,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please help - I mailed a payment
>>> to a Moroccan dealer
>>>>>>>> for a lot of
>>>>>>>>> chondrites via a paper check, he
>>> got it today, but he
>>>>>>>> told me that the banks
>>>>>>>>> over there don't recognize it even
>>> though it is
>>>>>>>> completely valid. I can't
>>>>>>>>> afford the shipping costs through
>>> FedEx for the lot I
>>>>>>>> want - which will be
>>>>>>>>> over $200 CND... so what other
>>> less expensive options
>>>>>>>> do you suggest?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you in advance
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----------
>>>>>>>>> Melanie
>>>>>>>>> IMCA: 2975
>>>>>>>>> eBay: metmel2775
>>>>>>>>> Known on SkyRock Cafe as
>>> SpaceCollector09
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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