Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite images..

Fri, 27 Nov 2009 11:29:26 -0800 

Hi Ben, Svend, Mark, List,
Svend make a good point, which I failed to mention last night because I was answering Mark's question of ownership rights more than actual repositories of meteorite images. There are many very good meteorite photographs online of thousands of meteorites. The links that Svend provided are great examples. However this enforces my point that certain rights need to be maintained by the copyright owner, and images do not need to be released into the public domain to share them with everyone. 


The Wiki Commons' meteorite photo collection is a great start! Most are 
licensed under the "Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported" license 
and requires attribution to the author.



There are gallery software programs I can install on the Meteorite Wiki 
to provide a source for meteorite images. This will be a user 
contributed gallery and all images uploaded to the gallery could be 
licensed under the same Creative Commons Attribution license that would 
provide credit to all authors.



In fact I would not mind even providing a "Contributors Page" on the 
Meteorite Wiki as a thank you to all contributors. A page that would 
allow all contributing authors whether they have contributed photos, 
video, articles or papers to list their name and/or organization, 
university, or community college, a brief summary description, and a 
link to their organizations site if they have one.


Any ideas or thoughts?


And for those who've yet to vote in the poll, we need your vote! 
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Your vote helps!

Regards,
Eric




benjamin de la vega wrote:

I think we all have some photos we could donate, just put your name on 
the lower right corner (ie) Ben de la Vega Collection and so on.  
That's how we race jouralists do it for public domain pictures.


Ben

--- On *Fri, 11/27/09, Meteorites USA /<[email protected]>/* wrote:


    From: Meteorites USA <[email protected]>
    Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite images..
    To: "Mark Ford" <[email protected]>
    Cc: [email protected]
    Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 3:03 AM

    Hi Mark,

    This is NOT legal advice...

    You're referring to what is called the "public domain". The GNU
    license is specifically for software and documentation and usually
    not applied to other intellectual property such as photos though I
    suppose you could. Photos are intellectual property and are
    automatically protected under US Copyright Law
    http://www.copyright.gov/title17/ as is any other intellectual
    property or "work" created by an author within the US or by an
    American citizen. Other countries have their own laws that govern
    copyright. This is the long answer to your question, but relevant...

    Royalty free is not free... You must pay for the use of the work.
    This means you pay a place like Corbis, istockphoto, or Getty
    Images for the use of a photo. They own the rights to the images
    and you do not have to pay an artist a royalty from any profits
    you make from your use of the images. This is the meaning behind
    the phrase "royalty free". It's basically a flat rate image rental
    service.

    You're asking for creators, authors and artists to donate their
    work to the public domain. Your term "completely free use" means
    "Public Domain" and the author would retain no rights to the work
    whatsoever. Most people are not this generous with there creations
    because their creations are usually worth money and it would not
    make practical business sense to give away money for free. However
    many people do release a lot of their work into the public domain,
    and don't mind dedicating their work to the public domain.

    There are many other licenses available to protect a work, besides
    the GNU, and the GNU Free Documentation license. A few years back
    the Creative Commons was created. They have 6 licenses available
    and they cover most every type of sharing of intellectual property
    rights covering just about any kind of work from Songs, Movies,
    Books, Photos, Software etc... You can view their licenses here:
    http://creativecommons.org/about/licenses

    So, it's up to you.. If you have a lot of meteorite images you'd
    like to donate then by all means got for it. I have a few hundred
    I could probably donate, or release into the public domain as
    well. I'd be willing to make a large portion of images of the
    meteorites I've photographed available in an online gallery on the
    Meteorite Wiki website, or even on Meteorites USA.

    In fact, I'll probably do that... Anyone that would like to donate
    images to this gallery contact me, I'd be happy to host them on
    the site and provide the server space and bandwidth for the gallery.

    What a great idea! Thanks Mark!

    Regards,
    Eric






    Mark Ford wrote:
    > Talking of websites:
    >
    > I've always thought a library of royalty free (that is
    completely free
    > use) meteorite images would be good, often when giving a talk or
    writing
    > an article I often find I just cannot find decent photos that
    are truly
    > 'free to use', you usually end up taking a pic yourself, or if
    it's for
    > a lecture just 'borrowing' the image of the net. Wouldn't it be
    great if
    > there was a legit way of using meteorite images anywhere without
    anyone
    > suing or complaining?
    >
    > So those of you that have websites with nice images on them,  if
    any of
    > you don't mind anyone else using some/all your pics for any
    purpose, why
    > don't we come up with a special logo or wording phrase that can
    go on
    > your website that means 'my images are free for use'. I know
    there are
    > GNU, and other free use standards out there, but many state free for
    > non-commercial use with 3 page conditions etc, I'm talking about
    > condtion free images.
    >
    > Just a thought, but whilst many images are commercially valuable
    which
    > is fine, some must surley come under the category ' I don't care who
    > uses them' so why not make them publically available by stating
    so, when
    > they are put online?.
    >
    > Just a thought..
    >
    > Mark
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