Greetings,
Sorry to spoil the holiday season by posting this. Since I was threaten
by this fraud, I will again post some of the problems people have had
with him. If you are buying from him, you are enabling him to continue
to contaminate our collections and are just as guilty.
Just because he has bought back some of his bad items, does't make him o.k.
He sells under the ebay user name of maccers531. Beware!!!!!
--AL Mitterling
[meteorite-list] Evans and Court Judgments.
Steve Schoner schoner at mybluelight.com Sun Dec 14 14:29:51 EST 2008
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Hello all,
After reading this, there might be some recourse. I am not a lawyer--
but in the case of a civil judgment, in some states one can put a lien
on all or or any of his personal titled property.
Try "fixing his wagon" by first putting a lien on his transportation.
It won't affect him immediately, but if he tries to sell his vehicle...
The lien will show up-- He can't transfer title till the lien is
satisfied.
And if so, all his claimants can just pile the liens on.
Steve Schoner
Message: 6 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:16:27 -0500 From: "al mitterling"
<almitt at kconline.com> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Crusted
Zagami, L3 Conglomerate To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <8E6D633437BD4B7592BD4BD9C002A95F at StarmanPC>
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reply-type=response
Greetings List Members,
It seems that a certain member in bad standing that continues to want
to advertise here who has cheated a number of unsuspecting members by
both not returning money to them after promising to do so and also
misrepresenting meteorite types as something rare when they are not. A
number of these victims wrote to me to thank me for posting my first
email message about him.
Here are a few of the list archives indicating there are serious
problems with this creep. You can also go here to see for your self a
number of the problems that have been posted over the list for a number
of years.
http://www.google.com/custom?q=bob+evans&domains=six.pairlist.net&sitesearch=six.pairlist.
net&sitesearch=&sa=Search+the+Archives
I must warn the list of Bob Evans as well. I was supposed to receive a
$125 refund from Bob over a month ago and I still have not received my
money back, nor have I recieved a response from him after several email
and phone call attempts. Well, I checked his Ebay history a few days
ago and noticed that he had placed a $1500 bid on a meteorite not too
long ago, yet he cannot afford to return my hard-earned money back to
me? Never again! I warn everyone else not to do any business with Bob
Evans. His unprofessionalism is a joke.
Ryan
Well, Bob Evans just called me after reading my email to the list and
he was pissed-off as I had expected he would be.. nearly shouting at me
through the phone line. It doesn't look like I wil be getting "a penny
back" from him, so it looks like I'll have to use alternate routes to
get my money back. Sorry to everyone else who has to read this, but his
reaction to the situation is unacceptable. By the way Bob....I'm 22
years old, not 15 as you had asked me during our brief phone
altercation this evening. See you in Tucson next year... I'm sure
everyone will be giving you a warm welcome.
Ryan
Bob Evans its another Cosmicvisitors alias Brad Sampson...sent money no
material, useless excuses aside the mailbox not go etc.....
Mauro Daniel
McCartney and List, Doesn`t a theft of goods totaling a sum of 4,000+$
constitute a Felony in Texas?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061122154905AAnQ0ts Thank
you McCartney for your post to the list. Sincerely, Dirk...Tokyo
mccartney <mccartney at blackbearddata.com> wrote: As a member of IMCA,
I feel it my duty to warn other meteorite buffs to avoid entanglements
from questionable persons.
On June 24, 2006 I posted to the list as a courtesy that I had been the
victim of a fraudulent trade with Bob Evans. This is the rest of the
story...
After a year of trying to resolve the issue, it took me many more
months to conclude that he just wasn't going to respond.
I sent emails, Ebay emails, registered letters and confirmed delivery
letters, with no response from Mr. Evans. He had my piece and he wasn't
going to finish the trade.
I sued Bob Evans in Williamson County, Texas Court. It went to court on
October 19, 2006. Small CLaims suit #060094. He apparently tried to
avoid being served his lawsuit by the Will County Sheriff, but they
served him successfully. He did not respond to the suit, nor did he
show in court.
He lost by default and now has a judgment of $4,800 against him. He now
joins Mr. Casper in the hall of Shame.
Its my character flaw to be an overyly trusting guy. I have traded with
people from South Africa to West Texas, Poland to Alaska. Never had a
problem. On the whole the average meteorite fan is a fair, wholesome,
science loving, respectable person. I encourage all of you to trade
with your peers on this list, but do a little homework on your partner
first to weed out the Caspers and Bob Evans's.
Last word, the meteorite community is a small sand box - Remember to
play nice.
-mt IMCA 2760
Yes, there was a lawsuit against Bob Evans brought by me. It was in
regards to a trade that was partially done, where I sent material and only
received a partial trade, then Evans went quiet. No contact for many
months. Eventually, I posted about it and received many replies that he
has done this before. His modus operandi is usually to go quiet and not
communicate. Which is what he's doing now. He did not show in court, I
received a default judgment by the judge.
Evans did not appeal and a judgment was issued. I spent the money to have
the judgment filed in Illinois and a lien filed against his house. At this
time he can not purchase or sell, or inherit real property until the
judgment is paid. It is collecting 8% interest at this time.
If I recall my contract law correctly, selling NWA junk as Zulu Queen
would be 'Misrepresentation' as well as Unjust Enrichment. Selling Zulu
Queen that he didn't know was NWA junk is simply 'Mutual
Misunderstanding'. Good luck in proving he had prior knowledge it was NWA
junk.
This is a small sandbox we play in. Play nice. McCartney Taylor
Dear List,
This is a public warning to Bob Evans to stop using the NWA 1110 and
NWA 1877 designations and meteoritelab descriptions. I filed a blanket
complaint claim with ebay and found out that it is considered
fraudulent to use lab numbers that do not apply to your samples. It is
also against the law to steal copyrighted descriptions. It took me
weeks to explain to ebay what is involved with getting numbers assigned
to NWA meteorites. I will start pulling the trigger soon on this kind
of fraud starting with Bob Evans. If ebay gets too many complaints the
meteorite subsection might be reconsidered (eliminated). That is why I
am posting this message publicly to avoid continued contact with ebay.
Here are two of the many fraudulent auctions Bob Evans is involved in:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=2287562058&rd=1&ssPageNam
e=WDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=2287562068&rd=1&ssPageNam
e=WDVW
Consider this warning to edit your numbers and descriptions to reflect
the truth or I will report this fraud to ebay when I return tomorrow.
My attorney gave me the green light to start pursuing these cases and I
will exercise my options.
Wishing everybody else the best,
Greetings List,
I could go on and on and post dozens if not more posts on people having
trouble with this thief but it would be counterproductive to our
discussion here. I feel I have done my part to warn people of this
creep and if you don't take the advise of this email and the emails of
others who have, had trouble with this criminal then we'll await to see
your post on the trouble you are having by thinking this is some kind
of a joke. Best wishes to all!
--AL Mitterling
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Message: 7 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:35:37 -0600 From: "Bob Evans"
<bobe5531 at comcast.net> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Crusted
Zagami, L3 Conglomerate To: "al mitterling" <almitt at kconline.com>
Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Message-ID:
<000601c95e01$9d5c9b40$0201a8c0 at yourae066c3a9b> Content-Type:
text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response
Al,
Never heard of Mauro Daniel. Sent money, no material ? Thats a joke.
Look at my feedback. A clown like this doesnt even know who he dealt
with
Ryan is a little self centered brat who blew off a deal with me.
McCartney and I had a deal go bad that we are to this day trying to
reconcile. Misrepresent ? Never ! NWA 1110 - Adams efforts to comletely
control certain areas of the market.
As for you Al, You never bought a single item from me, have you? So if
you have a problem with me I suggest that you take it up with me face
to face and stop hiding behind that monitor you little P***Y
----- Original Message ----- From: "al mitterling" <almitt at
kconline.com> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Sent:
Sunday, December 14, 2008 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD -
Crusted Zagami, L3 Conglomerate
Greetings List Members,
It seems that a certain member in bad standing that continues to want to
advertise here who has cheated a number of unsuspecting members by both
not returning money to them after promising to do so and also
misrepresenting meteorite types as something rare when they are not. A
number of these victims wrote to me to thank me for posting my first email
message about him.
Here are a few of the list archives indicating there are serious problems
with this creep. You can also go here to see for your self a number of the
problems that have been posted over the list for a number of years.
http://www.google.com/custom?q=bob+evans&domains=six.pairlist.net&sitesearch=six.pair
list.net&sitesearch=&sa=Search+the+Archives
I must warn the list of Bob Evans as well. I was supposed to receive a
$125 refund from Bob over a month ago and I still have not received my
money back, nor have I recieved a response from him after several email
and phone call attempts. Well, I checked his Ebay history a few days ago
and noticed that he had placed a $1500 bid on a meteorite not too long
ago, yet he cannot afford to return my hard-earned money back to me? Never
again! I warn everyone else not to do any business with Bob Evans. His
unprofessionalism is a joke.
Ryan
Well, Bob Evans just called me after reading my email to the list and he
was pissed-off as I had expected he would be.. nearly shouting at me
through the phone line. It doesn't look like I wil be getting "a penny
back" from him, so it looks like I'll have to use alternate routes to get
my money back. Sorry to everyone else who has to read this, but his
reaction to the situation is unacceptable. By the way Bob....I'm 22 years
old, not 15 as you had asked me during our brief phone altercation this
evening. See you in Tucson next year... I'm sure everyone will be giving
you a warm welcome.
Ryan
Bob Evans its another Cosmicvisitors alias Brad Sampson...sent money no
material, useless excuses aside the mailbox not go etc.....
Mauro Daniel
McCartney and List,
Doesn`t a theft of goods totaling a sum of 4,000+$ constitute a Felony in
Texas?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061122154905AAnQ0ts
Thank you McCartney for your post to the list.
Sincerely, Dirk...Tokyo
mccartney <mccartney at blackbearddata.com> wrote:
As a member of IMCA, I feel it my duty to warn other meteorite buffs to
avoid entanglements from questionable persons.
On June 24, 2006 I posted to the list as a courtesy that I had been the
victim of a fraudulent trade with Bob Evans. This is the rest of the
story...
After a year of trying to resolve the issue, it took me many more months
to conclude that he just wasn't going to respond.
I sent emails, Ebay emails, registered letters and confirmed delivery
letters, with no response from Mr. Evans. He had my piece and he wasn't
going to finish the trade.
I sued Bob Evans in Williamson County, Texas Court. It went to court on
October 19, 2006. Small CLaims suit #060094. He apparently tried to avoid
being served his lawsuit by the Will County Sheriff, but they served him
successfully. He did not respond to the suit, nor did he show in court.
He lost by default and now has a judgment of $4,800 against him. He now
joins Mr. Casper in the hall of Shame.
Its my character flaw to be an overyly trusting guy. I have traded with
people from South Africa to West Texas, Poland to Alaska. Never had a
problem. On the whole the average meteorite fan is a fair, wholesome,
science loving, respectable person. I encourage all of you to trade with
your peers on this list, but do a little homework on your partner first to
weed out the Caspers and Bob Evans's.
Last word, the meteorite community is a small sand box - Remember to play
nice.
-mt
IMCA 2760
Yes, there was a lawsuit against Bob Evans brought by me. It was in
regards to a trade that was partially done, where I sent material and
only
received a partial trade, then Evans went quiet. No contact for many
months. Eventually, I posted about it and received many replies that he
has done this before. His modus operandi is usually to go quiet and not
communicate. Which is what he's doing now. He did not show in court, I
received a default judgment by the judge.
Evans did not appeal and a judgment was issued. I spent the money to have
the judgment filed in Illinois and a lien filed against his house. At
this time he can not purchase or sell, or inherit real property until the
judgment is paid. It is collecting 8% interest at this time.
If I recall my contract law correctly, selling NWA junk as Zulu Queen
would be 'Misrepresentation' as well as Unjust Enrichment. Selling Zulu
Queen that he didn't know was NWA junk is simply 'Mutual
Misunderstanding'. Good luck in proving he had prior knowledge it was NWA
junk.
This is a small sandbox we play in. Play nice. McCartney Taylor
Dear List,
This is a public warning to Bob Evans to stop using the NWA 1110 and NWA
1877 designations and meteoritelab descriptions. I filed a blanket
complaint claim with ebay and found out that it is considered fraudulent
to
use lab numbers that do not apply to your samples. It is also against the
law to steal copyrighted descriptions. It took me weeks to explain to ebay
what is involved with getting numbers assigned to NWA meteorites. I will
start pulling the trigger soon on this kind of fraud starting with Bob
Evans. If ebay gets too many complaints the meteorite subsection might be
reconsidered (eliminated). That is why I am posting this message publicly
to avoid continued contact with ebay. Here are two of the many fraudulent
auctions Bob Evans is involved in:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=2287562058&rd=1&ssPa
geName=WDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=2287562068&rd=1&ssPa
geName=WDVW
Consider this warning to edit your numbers and descriptions to reflect the
truth or I will report this fraud to ebay when I return tomorrow. My
attorney gave me the green light to start pursuing these cases and I will
exercise my options.
Wishing everybody else the best,
Greetings List,
I could go on and on and post dozens if not more posts on people having
trouble with this thief but it would be counterproductive to our
discussion here. I feel I have done my part to warn people of this creep
and if you don't take the advise of this email and the emails of others
who have, had trouble with this criminal then we'll await to see your post
on the trouble you are having by thinking this is some kind of a joke.
Best wishes to all!
--AL Mitterling
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