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What ever came of that anyway?

Greg S.

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> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 10:15:25 -0800
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.....
>
> Hi Daryl and List,
>
> My concern is that laws that have nothing to do with meteorites are being 
> twisted to include them with no input from the public whatsoever. To me, this 
> is not the American way. If they want laws protecting them, gather a 
> consensus, contact their legislatures, make them and stop twisting old laws. 
> Then these new laws can be challenged all the way up to supreme court if 
> necessary so they are not nebulous. I agree with the laws protecting cultural 
> items but meteorites have nothing to do with this unless they were worshiped 
> or turned into an artifact. There is very little money involved with 
> meteorites compared to minerals or fossils so why all of this unwanted 
> attention?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Adam
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Darryl Pitt 
> To: Adam Hupe 
> Cc: Adam 
> Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 10:03:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.....
>
>
>
> Many countries have what are referred to loosely as "Antiquity & National 
> Heritage Acts" and this is modeled after the same. Simply expressed, a wide 
> net is being cast, and it's not a novel idea for meteorites to be viewed as 
> part of a nation's heritage.
>
> I hope Jeff Grossman's idea is embraced---which happens to be in the pocket 
> of the work Svend and others have already embarked upon.
>
>
> All best / Darryl
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2010, at 11:34 AM, Adam Hupe wrote:
>
>> I cannot understand how a meteorite can be considered an antique when most 
>> terrestrial rocks could be called the same thing. The only way to get a rock 
>> that is not an antique is to live near a productive volcano where you can 
>> retrieve a freshly created one like in Hawaii. A meteorite has no scientific 
>> importance whatsover if it is left on the ground to weather away, especially 
>> in Oregon and Washington where the climate is very destructive.
>>
>> Why all of this new interest in meteorites when only a handful have ever 
>> been found in Oregon and Washington? Why are old laws being twisted to 
>> include meteorites? Why waste the time creating an entry on a website 
>> protecting meteorites where very few have been found? It would be 
>> interesting to find out what parties are involved with the twisting of these 
>> laws and admonish them for being stupid. Maybe they were influenced by the 
>> media who overstate the monetary value and understate the scientific 
>> importance of these objects. You treat something like valuable treasure and 
>> the government will do the same. Everybody wants a piece of the pie whether 
>> they have earned it or not. I believe in the finders/keepers concept that 
>> has worked well for centuries. A meteorite is worthless until found!
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks 
>> To: [email protected]
>> Cc: [email protected]
>> Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 6:18:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.....
>>
>> Hi List,
>>
>> I think this is a lot of worry and noise over nothing. The only thing
>> that has changed with this announcement is a block of text on a
>> website.
>>
>> How a law is worded, versus how it is enforced are two different things.
>>
>> It's illegal to keep arrowheads you find in Florida, yet almost every
>> local down here has some in a drawer or box. My grandfather (a highly
>> decorated WWII veteran and all around great person) was quite proud of
>> his arrowheads and I'd like to see some LEO try to take them from him.
>>
>> I don't think this wording change on a website is going to mean much
>> in the long run. It just means we are going to hear more
>> conversations like this one :
>>
>> BLM officer : Where did you get that rock that looks like a meteorite?
>>
>> Met Hunter : Oh that? I brought that with me from home, it's a good
>> luck charm. But it's not working today because I didn't find
>> anything.
>>
>> -----------
>>
>> Or -
>>
>> Met Buyer : Where did you say you found this meteorite again?
>>
>> Met Hunter/Seller : I didn't, because I can't remember where I found
>> it. It's the funniest thing, because I know I found it, but I don't
>> remember where or when. I really need to stop sniffing glue before I
>> forget where all of these specimens came from.
>>
>> -----------------
>>
>> Don't you just love it when a government that murdered thousands of
>> indigenous people and stole this land from the native American
>> indians, now tries to dictate about theft and property?
>>
>> Message from this tax payer - hey government, you can make demands
>> about meteorites when you give back the Indians' land you stole. It's
>> very hypocritical to claim that meteorite hunters are stealing from
>> federal land, when that federal land was stolen by the government from
>> it's rightful owners.
>>
>> I don't take orders from a government that hands out small-pox
>> infected blankets to women and children. (or funds the School of the
>> Americas)
>>
>> -------------------
>>
>> See yall out on the dry lake beds soon. ;)
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> MikeG
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/9/10, [email protected]  wrote:
>>> I'll give up my meteorites when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers.
>>>
>>> Paul Swartz
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