Hello Count and Listers,

Yes it would be intersting to see if something comes of this.You brought up 
something good when you said.....  

"Particularly in the trading of micro-meteorites and smaller material."

Now is that trading mirco meteorites that have TKW or mirco meteroites from 
taken from bigger meteorites? 

Shawn Alan

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Thanks Shawn, 

Excellent post. If accepted...these definitions will bring about a 
standardization in description that was sorely needed in some quarters. 
Particularly in the trading of micro-meteorites and smaller material. 

Count Deiro 
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>Hello List 

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>Here is the second part of the artical 

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>Meteorite and meteoroid: New comprehensive definitions 

> 

>by 

>Alan E. RUBIN1* and Jeffrey N. GROSSMAN2 

> 

>1Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics, University of California, Los 
>Angeles, California 90095–1567, USA 

>2U.S. Geological Survey, 954 National Center, Reston, Virginia 20192, USA 

>*Corresponding author. E-mail: aerubin at ucla.edu 

>(Received 05 May 2009; revision accepted 14 September 2009) 

> 

> 

>There are more practical reasons that can be used 

>to select the best upper size cutoff for micrometeorites 

>and micrometeoroids. Meteorites have long been 

>recognized as rare, special kinds of rocks. The practice 

>of naming individual meteorites after the places where 

>they were found is based on this special status. 

>Generally, to receive a name, a meteorite must be well 

>classified and large enough to provide material for 

>curation and research. Much of the material that 

>forms meteorites in the inner solar system is relatively 

>coarse grained. Many chondrites and nearly all 

>achondrites and iron-rich meteorites have mineral grain 

>sizes that exceed 100 lm. Although in many cases it is 

>possible to classify small particles of meteoritic 

>material at least tentatively, this process is greatly 

>hindered when the particle size is significantly smaller 

>than the parental rock’s grain size. To allow for 

>proper classification, 2 mm is a more useful size cutoff 

>than 100 lm. In addition, the number of objects that 

>accrete to the Earth (and other bodies) varies 

>exponentially with the inverse of mass (e.g., Brown 

>1960, 1961; Huss 1990; Bland et al. 1996). Single 

>expeditions to recover micrometeorites have found 

>thousands of particles in the sub-millimeter size range 

>(Rochette et al. 2008), but very few that exceed 2 mm. 

>The 2 mm divide also seems to form an approximate 

>break between the smallest objects that have 

>historically been called meteorites and the largest 

>objects called micrometeorites. This leads to additional 

>refinements to our definitions: 

> 

>Micrometeorites are meteorites smaller than 2 mm in 

>diameter; micrometeoroids are meteoroids smaller 

>than 2 mm in diameter; objects smaller than 10 lm 

>are dust particles. 

> 

>By this definition, IDPs are particles smaller than 

>10 lm. We are not proposing a lower size limit for IDPs. 

>Before it impacted the Earth, object 2008 TC3 was 

>approximately 4 m across and was officially classified as 

>an asteroid (Jenniskens et al. 2009). It is likely that 

>when smaller interplanetary objects are observed 

>telescopically, they will also be called asteroids, even if 

>they are of sub-meter size. Thus, the boundary between 

>meteoroids and asteroids is soft and will only shrink 

>with improved observational capabilities. For the 

>minimum asteroid size. We thus differ from Beech and 

>Steel (1995) who suggested a 10 m cutoff between 

>meteoroids and asteroids. 

> 

>The Relationship between Meteorites and Meteoroids 

>It is tempting to include in our definition of 

>meteorite a statement that meteorites originate as 

>meteoroids, which, using our modified definition are 

>natural solid objects moving in space, with a size less that 

>1 m, but larger than 10 lm; this was done in previous 

>definitions such as that of McSween (1987). However, 

>because the Hoba iron meteorite is larger than 1 m 

>across, it represents a fragment of an asteroid, not a 

>meteoroid, under our definition of meteoroid. If a mass 

>of iron 12 m in diameter deriving from an asteroidal 

>core were to be found on Earth or another celestial 

>body, it would almost certainly be called a meteorite, 

>despite the fact that it was too large to have originated 

>as a meteoroid even under the Beech and Steel (1995) 

>definition. In addition, the Canyon Diablo iron 

>meteorites associated with the Barringer (Meteor) 

>Crater in Arizona, are fragments of an impacting 

>asteroid that was several tens of meters in diameter 

>(e.g., Roddy et al. 1980); the Morokweng chondrite may 

>be a fragment of a kilometer-size asteroid that created 

>the >70 km Morokweng crater in South Africa (Maier 

>et al. 2006). 

> 

>Comets, particularly Jupiter-family comets (JFCs), 

>could also produce meteorites. A small fraction of JFCs 

>evolve into near-Earth objects (Levison and Duncan 

>1997) and could impact main-belt asteroids at relatively 

>low velocities (approximately 5 km s)1) (Campins and 

>Swindle 1998). Meteorites could also be derived from 

>moons around planetary bodies. Lunar meteorites are 

>well known on Earth, and meteorites derived from 

>Phobos may impact Mars, especially after the orbit of 

>Phobos decays sufficiently (e.g., Bills et al. 2005). 

>We see no simple way out of this semantic 

>dilemma, so we add the refinement: 

> 

>Meteorites are created by the impacts of meteoroids 

>or larger natural bodies. 

> 

>Additional Complications 

>Fragments of Meteorites 

> 

>Meteorite showers result from the fragmentation of 

>a meteoroid (or larger body) in the atmosphere. In the 

>case of the L6 chondrite Holbrook, about 14,000 

>individual stones fell (Grady 2000). Each of these stones 

>is considered a meteorite, paired with the others that 

>fell at the same time. A meteorite can break apart when 

>it collides with the surface of a body or it can fragment 

>at a later time due to mechanical and chemical 

>weathering. Each fragment of a meteorite is itself 

>considered a meteorite, paired with the other objects 

>that fell during the same event. 

> 

>Degraded Meteorites 

> 

>Weathering and other secondary processes on the 

>body to which a meteorite accretes can greatly alter 

>meteoritic material. Chondritic material has been 

>found embedded in terrestrial sedimentary rocks in 

>Sweden (e.g., Thorslund and Wickman 1981; Schmitz 

>et al. 2001). Other than the minor phase chromite (and 

>tiny inclusions within chromite), the primary minerals 

>in these extraterrestrial objects have been replaced by 

>secondary phases. Despite this extensive alteration, 

>some of these rocks (e.g., Brunflo) contain wellpreserved 

>chondrule pseudomorphs. Iron meteorites 

>can be severely weathered at the Earth’s surface, 

>forming a substance known as meteorite shale 

>(Leonard 1951) in which the original metal has been 

>completely oxidized; nevertheless, this material can still 

>preserve remnants of a Widmansta¨ tten structure. The 

>NomCom considers these types of materials to be 

>relict meteorites, defined as ‘‘highly altered materials 

>that may have a meteoritic origin. . .which are 

>dominantly (>95%) composed of secondary minerals 

>formed on the body on which the object was found’’ 

>(Meteoritical Society, 2006). Many relict meteorites 

>have received formal meteorite names in recent years. 

>We support the use of this terminology and would 

>further revise our definition as follows: 

> 

>An object is a meteorite as long as there is something 

>recognizable remaining either of the original minerals 

>or the original structure. 

> 

>We assert that objects that are completely melted 

>during atmospheric transit or weathered to the point 

>of complete destruction of all minerals and structures 

>should not be called meteorites. This would include 

>cosmic spherules (reviewed by Taylor and Brownlee 

>1991), ice meteorites that melted, and bits of what 

>appear to be separated fusion crust from larger 

>meteorites (eight of which have received formal 

>meteorite names from the NomCom as relict 

>meteorites, incorrectly in our opinion). A report of 

>possibly meteoritic material in sediments near the 

>Cretaceous ⁄ Tertiary boundary (Kyte 1998) presents a 

>borderline case. No primary minerals remain in this 

>object although the textures of secondary minerals are 

>suggestive of some kind of primary chondritic 

>structure. 

> 

>Meteorites accreted by their own parent body 

>We now consider whether it is possible for an 

>object to become a meteorite on the same celestial 

>body from which it was derived. For example, if 

>ejecta from a terrestrial impact crater lands back on 

>Earth, can it be considered a meteorite? Tektites are 

>widely held to be glass objects produced by large 

>impacts on Earth. Australite buttons were launched 

>on sub-orbital ballistic trajectories from their parent 

>crater and quenched into glass; they were partly 

>remelted on the way down when they encountered 

>denser portions of the atmosphere (e.g., Taylor 1961 

>and references therein). Most researchers would likely 

>agree that these objects should not be considered 

>meteorites. However, if terrestrial ejecta reached the 

>Moon, we have argued that it should be considered a 

>terrestrial meteorite. The critical difference is that the 

>hypothetical material in the latter case escaped the 

>dominant gravitational influence of Earth, whereas 

>tektites did not. 

> 

>Material launched from a celestial body that 

>achieves an independent orbit around the Sun or some 

>other celestial body, and which eventually is re-accreted 

>by the original body, should be considered a meteorite. 

>The difficulty, of course, would be in proving that this 

>had happened, but a terrestrial rock that had been 

>exposed to cosmic rays and had a well-developed fusion 

>crust should be considered a possible terrestrial 

>meteorite. In a related context, Gladman and Coffey 

>(2009) calculated that large fractions of material ejected 

>from Mercury by impacts achieve independent orbits 

>around the Sun and are re-accreted by Mercury only 

>after several million years. Any of this material that 

>survived re-accretion could be considered a meteorite. 

>The next refinement of the definition of meteorite is 

>then: 

> 

>An object that lands on its own parent body is a 

>meteorite if it previously escaped the dominant 

>gravitational influence of that body. 

> 

>Relative sizes 

>As a final clarification, we suggest that: 

> 

>An object should be considered a meteorite only if it 

>accretes to a body larger than itself. 

> 

>REVISED DEFINITIONS OF METEORITE AND 

>METEOROID 

> 

>From the discussion above, new definitions of 

>meteorite and meteoroid are proposed: 

>Meteoroid: A 10 lm to 1-meter-size natural solid 

>object moving in interplanetary space. Meteoroids may 

>be primary objects or derived by the fragmentation of 

>larger celestial bodies, not limited to asteroids. 

>Micrometeoroid: A meteoroid between 10 lm and 

>2 mm in size. 

>Meteorite: A natural solid object larger than 10 lm 

>in size, derived from a celestial body, that was 

>transported by natural means from the body on which 

>it formed to a region outside the dominant gravitational 

>influence of that body, and that later collided with a 

>natural or artificial body larger than itself (even if it is 

>the same body from which it was launched). Weathering 

>processes do not affect an object’s status as a meteorite 

>as long as something recognizable remains of its 

>original minerals or structure. An object loses its status 

>as a meteorite if it is incorporated into a larger rock 

>that becomes a meteorite itself. 

>Micrometeorite: A meteorite between 10 lm and 

>2 mm in size. 

> 

>Interplanetary dust particle (IDP): A particle 

>smaller than 10 lm in size moving in interplanetary 

>space. If such particles subsequently accrete to larger 

>natural or artificial bodies, they are still called IDPs. 

>Acknowledgments—We thank our colleagues for useful 

>discussions and C. R. Chapman, P. Schweitzer, and 

>J. Mars for useful reviews. 

> 

>This work was supported in 

>part by NASA Cosmochemistry Grants NNG06GF95G 

>(A. E. Rubin) and NNH08AI80I (J. N. Grossman). 

>Editorial Handling—Dr. A. J. Timothy Jull 

> 

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