Steve and list, I meant no disrespect to you or Mike as I consider you both friends. My only point was that Mike was correct in assuming that I nor anyone else would sell publicly - since that was what we tried to do in West. So you and everyone else can certainly do anything you want with your finds. I just felt that maybe I needed to apologize. However, I am not asking you to do the same.
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 9:28 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Ruben and list. > > If someone is promising 50% of the value, then they should honor their word. > Not tell the land owners they are only worth $4/g then give them $2/g > pretending that is 50% of the real value. > > If a hunter only wants to max give up $2/g then they should be honest and say > up front, before they start hunting: "I'm willing to give you $2/g for > anything I find, do we have a deal?" > > If someone is claiming they are only worth $4/g, but later the land owner > finds out the real value is $20/g then there might be a reason to think > someone isn't being honest. > > My suggestion to those still in the field still is to be 100% honest with the > land owners, and I would think you would have nothing to be afraid of. > > If giving up 50% of say $100/g is too much, then offer them > 40% or 20% or 10% or 2%. If $50/g is too high of a field price, then "supply > and demand" between the hunters in the field will ratchet the percentage down > to something more fair like 15% or maybe 20% of $100/g. > > I know that yesterday, there were people knocking on doors in the strewnfield > offering the locals $20/g. It would not surprize me if tomorrow there will > be people knocking on doors offering $30 then $40 then $50/g. > > In fact, I left on Sunday for NY and when I got back, the land owner where I > found my biggest rock told Geoff and I that there was a group of guys that > came to his door and said that I was a con man, that I rip people off, that > I'm being sued, that he (the land owner) would never see a penny from me and > that his only chance to see any money was if he somehow got the rock back > from me ASAP and sold it to one of them for $5,000 cash. > > So I don't buy into the BS that if the meteorites stay off ebay while the > hunters are still in the field, that means the locals won't wise up to the > real values anyway in the mean time. > > Steve > Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ruben Garcia <[email protected]> > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 06:50:28 > To: Mike Miller<[email protected]> > Cc: Meteorite-list<[email protected]>; Brian > Cox<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale > > Hi all, > > Mike Miller is absolutely right! Unfortunately (for me) I may have > started this whole thing (Although I was careful not to mention a > dollar amount) I was the first to offer a Wisconsin stone for sale. > > The problem is obvious - when a local gets word that a stone is worth > x amount of dollars then that is what they will want half of - if you > find one on their property. So if the going rate to farmers/land > owners is $20 per gram then it could go to $50g if they feel that > Wisconsin space rocks are selling for $100g. > > I was being selfish and once I left the field forgot someone else > could be hurt by my actions. > > My sincere apologies to all still in the field! > > Ruben Garcia > > > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:23 AM, Mike Miller <[email protected]> > wrote: >> Hi Brian I don't think I have ever been involved in an argument on >> this list and I wont start one here either. I am just pointing out the >> standard edict that we as a group of meteorite hunters have worked out >> over the past few years. When I say we I mean Steve Arnold of the >> meteorite men along with myself and most every other hunter and >> dealer on this list. Steve had something to say about this very same >> situation when another list member from Chicago mentioned a price >> while we were still in West Texas hunting. If I remember correctly >> Steve Arnold of the meteorite men, was very upset when he was the one >> out in the field and someone else was causing the same problem he is >> now saying he must do. >> >> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Brian Cox >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I just want to mention that it's the business of whomever is selling their >>> meteorites either from Wisconsin or West or Buzzard Coulee or from wherever >>> and I am not judging anyone on that. Sell them on ebay or on a website or by >>> silent or private auction. The price is not up to me nor anyone, but by what >>> the market will set that price at. >>> >>> Either way it's done just please remember that we are a "Small Group" and >>> should be a tightly knit group, although we do often debate and sometimes >>> argue about the processes and procedures we go through. >>> >>> With this new fall there certainly will be more people coming to everyone's >>> websites and on ebay and researching information and coming to the Met List. >>> >>> We all need to be as straightforward and honest and yes, I will certainly >>> try to be as respectful in my opinions and I request that everyone else be >>> respectful of one another. >>> >>> Enjoy the weekend everyone. >>>______________________________________________ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 >> www.meteoritefinder.com >> 928-753-6825 >>______________________________________________ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > -- > Rock On! > > Ruben Garcia > > Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net > Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ > Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u > ______________________________________________ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > [email protected] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 9:28 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Ruben and list. > > If someone is promising 50% of the value, then they should honor their word. > Not tell the land owners they are only worth $4/g then give them $2/g > pretending that is 50% of the real value. > > If a hunter only wants to max give up $2/g then they should be honest and say > up front, before they start hunting: "I'm willing to give you $2/g for > anything I find, do we have a deal?" > > If someone is claiming they are only worth $4/g, but later the land owner > finds out the real value is $20/g then there might be a reason to think > someone isn't being honest. > > My suggestion to those still in the field still is to be 100% honest with the > land owners, and I would think you would have nothing to be afraid of. > > If giving up 50% of say $100/g is too much, then offer them > 40% or 20% or 10% or 2%. If $50/g is too high of a field price, then "supply > and demand" between the hunters in the field will ratchet the percentage down > to something more fair like 15% or maybe 20% of $100/g. > > I know that yesterday, there were people knocking on doors in the strewnfield > offering the locals $20/g. It would not surprize me if tomorrow there will > be people knocking on doors offering $30 then $40 then $50/g. > > In fact, I left on Sunday for NY and when I got back, the land owner where I > found my biggest rock told Geoff and I that there was a group of guys that > came to his door and said that I was a con man, that I rip people off, that > I'm being sued, that he (the land owner) would never see a penny from me and > that his only chance to see any money was if he somehow got the rock back > from me ASAP and sold it to one of them for $5,000 cash. > > So I don't buy into the BS that if the meteorites stay off ebay while the > hunters are still in the field, that means the locals won't wise up to the > real values anyway in the mean time. > > Steve > Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ruben Garcia <[email protected]> > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 06:50:28 > To: Mike Miller<[email protected]> > Cc: Meteorite-list<[email protected]>; Brian > Cox<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale > > Hi all, > > Mike Miller is absolutely right! Unfortunately (for me) I may have > started this whole thing (Although I was careful not to mention a > dollar amount) I was the first to offer a Wisconsin stone for sale. > > The problem is obvious - when a local gets word that a stone is worth > x amount of dollars then that is what they will want half of - if you > find one on their property. So if the going rate to farmers/land > owners is $20 per gram then it could go to $50g if they feel that > Wisconsin space rocks are selling for $100g. > > I was being selfish and once I left the field forgot someone else > could be hurt by my actions. > > My sincere apologies to all still in the field! > > Ruben Garcia > > > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:23 AM, Mike Miller <[email protected]> > wrote: >> Hi Brian I don't think I have ever been involved in an argument on >> this list and I wont start one here either. I am just pointing out the >> standard edict that we as a group of meteorite hunters have worked out >> over the past few years. When I say we I mean Steve Arnold of the >> meteorite men along with myself and most every other hunter and >> dealer on this list. Steve had something to say about this very same >> situation when another list member from Chicago mentioned a price >> while we were still in West Texas hunting. If I remember correctly >> Steve Arnold of the meteorite men, was very upset when he was the one >> out in the field and someone else was causing the same problem he is >> now saying he must do. >> >> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Brian Cox >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I just want to mention that it's the business of whomever is selling their >>> meteorites either from Wisconsin or West or Buzzard Coulee or from wherever >>> and I am not judging anyone on that. Sell them on ebay or on a website or by >>> silent or private auction. The price is not up to me nor anyone, but by what >>> the market will set that price at. >>> >>> Either way it's done just please remember that we are a "Small Group" and >>> should be a tightly knit group, although we do often debate and sometimes >>> argue about the processes and procedures we go through. >>> >>> With this new fall there certainly will be more people coming to everyone's >>> websites and on ebay and researching information and coming to the Met List. >>> >>> We all need to be as straightforward and honest and yes, I will certainly >>> try to be as respectful in my opinions and I request that everyone else be >>> respectful of one another. >>> >>> Enjoy the weekend everyone. >>>______________________________________________ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 >> www.meteoritefinder.com >> 928-753-6825 >>______________________________________________ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > -- > Rock On! > > Ruben Garcia > > Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net > Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ > Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u > ______________________________________________ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > [email protected] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- Rock On! 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