Hi Rob and List,Something to understand about meteorite finds and strewnfields in general. There are many meteorite mongers that would happily go out and "steal" or claim jump on someone elses discovery for a profit without properly recording the data, because they don't care about the science. Putting things in perspective. YES!!!! I totally agree that it might be a little gray area here. However, the protection of the data from a meteorite find or strewnfield, is MORE important than the coordinate listed in the Met-Bull. The Met-Bull coordinate is a beginning reference point for researchers, and gives accurate information for a "starting point" in research.
Before people arbitrarily point the finger at someone for providing misinformation or data that's not an X marks the spot on a treasure map, perhaps there needs to be some research done on Nininger's meteorite finds. It's well known that some of his "coordinates" weren't "exact". This was also to protect the meteorite finds and strewnfield from claim jumpers, profiteers and rival scientists. Besides, it's also well known that in the past, coordinates of meteorites finds were sometimes marked by the nearest post office, which in some cases could be miles from the actual find/discovery location.
Meteor Crater: "...Meteor Crater is a meteorite impact crater located approximately 43 miles (69 km) east of Flagstaff, near Winslow in the northern Arizona desert of the United States. Because the US Department of the Interior Division of Names commonly recognizes names of natural features derived from the nearest post office, the feature acquired the name of "Meteor Crater" from the nearby post office named Meteor.[2] The site was formerly known as the Canyon Diablo Crater, and the meteorite that created the crater is officially called the Canyon Diablo Meteorite, the name that is on all officially labelled fragments of the meteorite..." SOURCE - Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor_Crater
Moon Trip: A Personal Account of the Apollo Program and its Science ©1989 Dr. Elbert A. King Reprinted with permission from the estate of Dr. Elbert A. King - Chapter IV - Meteorites & Tektites: "...The stones had showered over a large area. One large stone had missed the post office in Pueblito de Allende by only 30 feet. Meteorites normally are named after the nearest post office. This one almost named itself..." SOURCE - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/publications/books/moonTrip/ivTektitesandMeteorites.pdf and http://www.lpi.usra.edu/publications/books/moonTrip/
How are meteorites named? Meteorites are typically named for the town, post office or other geographical landmark nearest the recovery sight. SOURCE: http://www.meteoritelab.com/meteorites/
Met List: "...A name has not yet been assigned but the latest word is that it likely will be called Fort Irwin after the nearest post office box..." SOURCE: http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-highlights.php
Google Book Results: Antarctic Meteorite Names: "...Page 73 ... they are named after the nearest post office, because a place that has a post office ... In the arcane naming system used for the antarctic meteorites..."
More recently the "arcane" naming system is being replaced by naming meteorites after the place of find. Data is becoming more accurate. The Meteoritical Society is heading this.
GUIDELINES FOR METEORITE NOMENCLATURE (REVISED JULY, 2010; Notice the 30 years of evolution of naming conventions)
http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/bulletin/nc-guidelines.htmIt's the fault of the researcher for not "researching" things to get the whole story. It's very easy to take part of a subject out of context and form an incomplete and inaccurate conclusion. This is arguably more dangerous than an inaccurate meteorite coordinate any day of the week.
Eric On 9/12/2010 12:53 PM, Rob Holcomb wrote:
Hi All,I know some people who totally agree with the statement, "There are folks out there who consider the location of their finds their personal strewn fields and intentionally desseminate inaccurate coordinates to throw off competitors and collectors. I suppose they can make a good argument for doing it."So I guess the locations should be suspect. Rob H -------------------------------------------------- From: "drtanuki" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 12:25 PMTo: <[email protected]>; "Countdeiro" <[email protected]> Subject: [meteorite-list] Was: GoogleEarth & GPS in Meteorite Hunting Now:Ethics and Meteorite Find LocationsCount and List,This would involve ethics or the lack of them on the part of the finder IF true? Would a person or persons willing to lie on a find location lie about other things? Good work Count! Others?Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo--- On Mon, 9/13/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] GoogleEarth & GPS in Meteorite HuntingTo: "David Norton" <[email protected]>, "'Michael Blood'" <[email protected]>Cc: [email protected] Date: Monday, September 13, 2010, 3:14 AMDavid said, "Any coordinates in the MetBul prior to the advent of the GPS system must be considered suspect."I'm afraid that the accuracy of locations since the introduction of the GPS system are still suspect. In just a few months of field research on recent finds in the Western USA, I came across GPS coordinates that were obviously off by miles. For instance, there's a rare CM1 find whose Googled MetBul location puts it a vacant lot in a residential sub-division.There are folks out there who consider the location of their finds their personal strewn fields and intentionally desseminate inaccurate coordinates to throw off competitors and collectors. I suppose they can make a good argument for doing it.Regards, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -----Original Message-----From: David Norton <[email protected]> Sent: Sep 12, 2010 9:25 AM To: 'Michael Blood' <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] GoogleEarth & GPS in Meteorite HuntingOn a conceptual this sounds great. One flaw in deployment is the accuracy ofthe gps coordinates that you may have for any given find. There arecoordinates in MetBul that are accurate within 20 miles or so....thats' a lot of dirt. Any coordinates in MetBul prior to the advent of the GPS systemmust be considered suspect. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected][mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of MichaelBlood Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 5:07 PM To: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] GoogleEarth & GPS in Meteorite Hunting Hi all, I have come to realize there is a crucial tool for meteorite Hunting that I have yet to hear of anyone using: iPad using "Google Earth" with the GPS coordinates. To use this tool in the field, you must have one of the Models with G3 capability. That said, you can not only locate Coordinates easily, you can SEE the area you are searching With great clarity - and also check any "Utube" videos of other Hunts in the given area, and any other information you may Want from the internet WHILE you are in the field, the price Sounds compelling, since I hear the better GPS units start at about $200 and the cheaper ones are at least $100. I have located the cheapest method of purchasing a unit. It goes from $629- with FREE shipping to $829 depending on Gigabytes you Desire, so and have decided to provide a link from my site. However, the best anyone can explain me is the more gigabytes you have the more movies and videos you can STORE on the device, so, personally, I see little to be gained by spending the additional $ for more gigs unless you, personally make a LOT of videos and want all of them on your iPad. Otherwise, any other source can be accessed by the device, so, why store it IN the device? Perhaps I am wronghere, if so, would someone on the list please clarify additional advantagesTo purchasing massive Gigs on this unit. Regardless, 1) Go to: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/2) Click on the RED banner ad: "Sales and Freebies" left of The Banner Ad for IMPACTICA. 3) On the new page, near the top, click on "iPad" 4) On the newer page, again click on "iPad" 5) On this page, scroll down to "iPad Starting at $499" go to The right of it and UNDER "On Line Store" click on "Buy Now" (this will NOT be committing you to any purchase) 6) you will now be on a page offering the lowest prices for An iPad possible: 16GB1 * Ships: Within 24hrs * Free Shipping * $629.00 * Pre-Order iPad with Wi-Fi + 3G 16GB 32GB1 * Ships: Within 24hrs * Free Shipping * $729.00 * Pre-Order iPad with Wi-Fi + 3G 32GB 64GB1 * Ships: Within 24hrs * Free Shipping * $829.00 Best wishes, Michael______________________________________________Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.htmlMeteorite-list mailing list [email protected]http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list______________________________________________Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.htmlMeteorite-list mailing list [email protected] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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