You are mistaken about the law. EVERYTHING that sits on federal land belongs to the federal government. There are no exceptions. Individuals have NO right to take anything off federal land. It is entirely up to the discretion of the managers of federal land to allow individuals the PRIVILEGE of collecting something from federal land. Even where there are specific exceptions in federal law, as for mining or limited mineral collecting, enforcement is still up to the land management agencies.

I agree that the lack of any formal policy can make things difficult, but it is important to remember that this is just that- policy.

Of course, it is all a matter of individual perspective. I fully agree that the federal government should claim ownership of any meteorite found on federal land that has a high scientific value. Of course, in practice, very few meteorites found by collectors or hunters have much scientific value, so there is no reason for the government to care if they are collected. All that is needed is a simple permit system, but I doubt that will every happen. This isn't exactly something that anybody in the relevant government agencies puts much priority on.

Chris

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Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- From: "Meteorites USA" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Secret BLM maps battle of the Smithsonian


See... Part (2) that is exactly the point... and exactly the problem. There's no clear policy at all with regard to meteorites, meteorite hunting, and meteorite recovery. Different BLM offices will have different policies based on the discretion of the person on shift at the time. So if they guy or gal behind the counter has a bad morning, forgets their coffee, or generally has a bad day, they dictate to you whether you can hunt our not? Discretion? Whatever! OK so we are supposed to hope someone is in the "mood" to issue permission? That's laughable at best.

The policy part (1) is seriously flawed. There's no "law" which states meteorites belong to the goverment, other than mineral law which can be loosely applied to meteorites. Yet somehow they pick and choose which laws to pply when and how they "feel" like it.

I guarantee you the BLM doesn't care about the average chondrite meteorite. But if you find a North American Lunar, a Martian, a 6000 pound iron, or an ultra rare carbonaceous meteorite the BLM and Smithsonian will probably jump up real quick and say it's theirs, and will try to take it from you.

Other countries sciences have been damaged by restrictive regulations where the government claims ownership of meteorites.

If we as Americans and as a country adopt the policy that meteorites are off limits to the public, we are stifling the science we're trying to protect.

Eric
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