Not so fast. That label is distributed freely to many equipment and
material suppliers to JPL and other NASA affiliates. I received a bunch
of those stickers when I was developing a fan used on the International
Space Station. I now have that sticker on my telescope case.
Just because he shows the stone with the label does not turn that stone
into lunar material.
Again, I will bet this is bogus.
Cheers!
tett
On 04/02/2011 3:34 PM, Steve Schoner wrote:
Upon looking at this auction again, I am now suspecting that this sample might be the
real thing. That label appears to be a NASA control label specific to space materials,
which in this case is the supposed "moon rock."
My question now is this... There appears to be a small photo of the specimen in
question on this control label. If so, that would further define this specimen
as authentic.
Could this be a research specimen that somehow escaped government control?
Something to think about.
But all said, with the legal aspects of legit ownership, I would be reluctant
to bid on it...
Steve Schoner
---------- Original Message ----------
From:<[email protected]>
To: Steve Schoner<[email protected]>, [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 12:51:48 -0500
Steve,
"Where is the beef"
Sure , we would all love to have what you have but , what is the difference
between what you have and anybody else?
Say, I was the king of England and my good buddy the President of the USA gave
me a genuine moon rock. And he did give away plenty.
I decide to sell it on EBay.
Where is the law that says that is illegal?
And how does that differ from what you have?
Is it because you did not get caught buying yours?
Why is it okay for you to buy moon material and not others?
Again, "show us the beef"?
What exactly does the law state and how do you know this? Normally , when
people make statements they want to back them up with evidence?
I believe you I just want to read it myself. And I'm quite sure you have piqued
the interest of others as well.
Yes, I am home getting my frozen pipes replaced. Waiting for the B-bash tonight.
Best regards,
Carl
--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax
---- Steve Schoner<[email protected]> wrote:
Yes, Count, I remember that day in December two years ago when I won it. My
heart was beating fast as I watched the seconds go expecting this piece of tape
jumping from hundreds to thousands in the last seconds.
2 seconds before closing I placed my bid...
I could not believe it... I sniped it for $451.00!
(BTW: The worst time to place items on Ebay is the Holidays, it is a buyer's
market and a sellers loss.)
The "Moon Dust" tape and Documents of Authenticity from "Spaceflori" came on
Dec 18th, 2009. I spent days after looking at this tiny piece of tape under my microscope, amazed
to see the spherical glass beads, green, orange, beige glass beads, other lunar dust particles, and
even a few fibers of beta cloth from the glove that Neal Armstrong wore when he picked Magazine S
from the surface of the moon.
As for that piece of reputed "Apollo moon rock" on Ebay now... As I wrote
before... Even a piece reputed to be from the Apollo program can be confiscated by NASA.
And the buyer should he or she win it, is not exempt from such confiscation either.
The seller is on dangerous legal ground.
Steve Schoner
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Count Deiro<[email protected]>
To: Steve Schoner<[email protected]>, [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 03:16:12 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Hi Steve and List,
Thanks for posting the link to your very informative video. Congratulations on what must be one of
the all time best "sniping" incidents on EBay. You do have the "real deal".
Listers might not know that the international auction house, Sothebys,
auctioned dust from a Russian unmanned lunar mission. In 1970 the Soviet Union
sent an automated sample-return mission to the moon and three fragments
collected on this mission, weighing just 200 milligrams, were sold by Sotheby's
Vice Chairman, David Redden, for $442.500.00. The sale was held in 1993, so in
today's dollars we are probably talking near a million.
You lucky dog.
Count Deiro
IMCA 3536
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Schoner<[email protected]>
Sent: Feb 3, 2011 10:10 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?
As much as I know it is illegal to even present an item such as this rock on
Ebay as an authentic Apollo recovered moon rock. Even if it is not, just to
state that it is is enough to have it confiscated by the U.S. Government.
A case in point was a recent desk mount with a pen holder that had a molded
plastic transparent rock that supposedly had Apollo recovered lunar dust and
sand sized rock particles in it. It was being auctioned at a major auction
house and was taken down when the U.S. Government confiscated it. It was
tested and from what I recall returned to the owner(s)as it could not be
confirmed as authentic.
And that was the end of that as a salable piece.
However, the Terry Slezak Apollo 11 Moon Dust tape IS authentic. And as much as I know
it is the only Apollo 11 lunar material that is available for the public to own. The
entire poster board with the Moon dust tape,some foil from the Apollo 11, the label from
Magazine S that Armstrong dropped, a note that Buzz Aldrin wrote on the moon, and the
Apollo 11 crew signatures, was included in an auction that Mr. Florian Noller won
sometime in 2001. This tape was then sectioned into small triangles, each having
particles of moon dust on them, which he then sold under his company
"Spaceflori."
It is the real deal. I know because I won one of these Apollo "Moon Dust" tape
presentations on Ebay a few years ago. I could not believe the low price I won it at.
It was a real loss to the seller, but he honored the deal. I remember that it was
brought up on this MetList and there was much doubt of it's authenticity. But I knew
otherwise, having previously followed the sale of the Slezak tape in a Space artifacts
auction held 2001.
Under a high power microscope there is no doubt in my mind that it is the real
thing. I communicated with Mr. Noller in Germany and he remembered the person
that I obtained it from. He was amazed at the low price that I obtained it in
the Ebay auction, stating that Ebay is not the place to auction such artifacts.
Here is my Apollo 11 "Moon Dust" tape--- the real deal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C3lPlmpoKo
But...
As for the suspected Apollo moon rock being offered on Ebay. If NASA finds out
about the auction it will be taken down by court order if Ebay refuses. That I
do know.
Steve Schoner
It was in fact proven to have been presented to Mr. Slezak
Message: 12
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 20:35:21 -0500
From: Michael Gilmer<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?
To: Walter Branch<[email protected]>
Cc: Meteorite-list List<[email protected]>
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Hi Walt and List,
Thanks for reminding me about the camera cartridge dust. I had
forgotten about that. AFAIK, that is the only legal Apollo lunar
material on the market. I've love to own one of those little pieces
of tape with dust on it, but the asking price is too rich for my
blood. I'll have to settle for a small micro of NWA 482. :)
I guess one of us could report the auction to eBay, but I doubt they
will pull the auction down. I gave up on reporting things to eBay,
since they never listen to me.
Best regards,
MikeG
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