Michael - well said. I friend of mine in Colorado built her house that is entirely self-suffiecient using solor power. Greg S.
---------------------------------------- > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:16:56 -0700 > From: [email protected] > Subject: OT: Solar Power > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected] > > I am interested in the people still "poo-pooing" solar power. It cracks me > up. Solar may not work well for Oregon, but in more than 50% of the USA, it > would solve most of our energy needs. > My house is now solar-powered. I have 38 panels, no battery, grid-tied > system, installed in December. My last two electric bills for Jan was $6.85 > and for Feb was $7.50. Taxes you see, and line bills, I actually produced 20% > more than I used, so I have a credit for the coming hot months. Normal Jan > and Feb electric bills more than $80, so 90% drop. > Earning equivelent of 8%-9% on my investment, $50,000 increase in home value > but tax free, and clean. At night I buy my power back from the grid after > pumping in all day, my meter runs backwards all day, and Tucson has very few > cloudy days. > > Keep crying about how nice Nuclear is and how EVIL Solar is, people like me > laugh all the way to the bank. It works, oil and gas industry fighting it for > decades, but solar going up all over Tucson. One Nuclear plant also gets more > subsidies from the government than all solar power ever produced in this > country, so it is the ultimate coorporate welfare program the GOP loves to > cry about. > > Denmark and Holland have entire towns powered by a couple of wind turbines, > and they pay all taxes by selling their power into the grid, I guess they are > stupid people, they just don't know it. > > Michael Farmer > > > --- On Thu, 3/17/11, Dennis Miller wrote: > > > From: Dennis Miller > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: RISKS OF NUCLEAR POWER > > To: [email protected], [email protected] > > Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011, 10:00 AM > > > > Wind turbines, (1mega watt each) would need millions of > > them and they only work when the wind is between 8 and 38 > > MPH. > > The Audubon Society hates them for killing migratory and > > predatory birds... > > Solar, is just that, no storage for the power and only > > works when the sun is shining. The State land use committees > > hate > > them because they take a lot of land and are ugly.... > > Hydroelectric, Great when you have the available water and > > it is not interfering with protected fish. That these > > rivers > > remain navigable and the spawning is not interrupted. > > Hey, if they can make a small portable Nuke plant, like the > > ones on our Nuclear fleet, then they sure should be able > > to make small nuke plants that would be safe and built in a > > controlled environment. The USS Ronald Reagan that > > is just off shore Japan is powered by a 250 MW Westinghouse > > nuke plant... Needs refueling every 20 years. > > Dennis O'Miller > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected]; > > [email protected] > > > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 08:29:48 -0700 > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: RISKS OF NUCLEAR > > POWER > > > > > > > > > I wonder how many people have died from solar, wind, > > and hydroelectric power? > > > > > > You forget the long term impact of radiation > > exposure. > > > > > > Don't get me wrong, Nuclear power is good when safety > > precautions are in place, but we seem to wait for disasters > > and then respond to them. > > > > > > I have been an advocate for 'green' energy since the > > 1970's, but here in the US, it always gets killed and > > underfunded. > > > > > > Now let's get back to discussing meteorites. > > > > > > > > > Greg S. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:38:58 -0500 > > > > Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: RISKS OF NUCLEAR > > POWER > > > > > > > > List, > > > > > > > > We are invariably abnormally impressed by the > > > > sudden occurrence of a rare, high-risk event. > > > > We do not appraise them in a strictly rational > > > > manner when this happens. > > > > > > > > The current application of fear caused by a very > > > > rare event, as we see in Japan, is weighted > > heavily. > > > > For those interested in the actual data, the > > human > > > > cost, in lives, of the various means of electric > > power > > > > production are listed below. > > > > > > > > Deaths are for the period 1970 through 1992, the > > > > only period for which data could be collected for > > all > > > > the means of production. > > > > > > > > All deaths are "immediate" deaths, and the > > figures > > > > are on a worldwide basis, which includes > > countries > > > > with less stringent industrial safety > > requirements > > > > than the U.S. This is the picture for the > > Planet. > > > > > > > > Hydroelectric production accounted for roughly > > 4000 > > > > deaths, of members of the public, or 883 deaths > > per > > > > terawatt-year. The vast majority of those deaths > > were > > > > from the failure of dams and impoundments. > > > > > > > > Coal power production produced about 6400 > > deaths, > > > > all of workers, for a death rate of 342 deaths > > per > > > > terawatt-year. (Deaths from the mining of coal > > are > > > > included in proportion to the use of coal in > > direct > > > > power production.) > > > > > > > > Natural Gas power production resulted in some > > > > 1200 deaths, of both industry workers and the > > > > general public, for 85 deaths per terawatt-year. > > > > > > > > Nuclear Power resulted in 31 deaths, all of > > workers, > > > > for a total of 8 deaths per terawatt-year, or 1% > > > > of the deaths from "safe" environmentally > > friendly > > > > hydroelectric power. > > > > > > > > The "other fuel," petroleum, is rarely used for > > power > > > > production but largely for transportation. How > > deadly, > > > > in these terms, is our transportation power use > > in > > > > cars and trucks as compared to the cost in life > > of > > > > power production? > > > > > > > > The U.S. consumed 0.138 teragallons of gasoline > > > > on 2009 (at 4.175 watt-years per gallon), with a > > > > total energy content of a "mere" 0.576 > > terawatt-years. > > > > Highway deaths in 2009 were 33,963, which yields > > > > 58,943 deaths per terawatt-year of power > > consumed. > > > > > > > > Clearly, the use of this power source for > > transport > > > > is many orders of magnitude more dangerous than > > > > the production of electrical power, however it > > is > > > > accomplished. Our reaction to this horrendous > > > > risk is to complain about how much it costs us > > to > > > > fill'er up. > > > > > > > > Humans are not rational animals. > > > > > > > > The reduction in overall life expectancy in the > > > > U.S. due to nuclear power production is > > one-third > > > > of the reduction in life expectancy caused by > > eating > > > > 8 ounces. of charcoal-broiled steak per week. > > > > > > > > Make mine medium-rare, please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sterling K. 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