SORRY FOR MISSPELLING YOUR NAME, TERRI GUIDO -----Forwarded Message----- >From: Count Deiro <[email protected]> >Sent: May 11, 2011 11:15 PM >To: Larry Atkins <[email protected]>, [email protected], >[email protected], [email protected], [email protected] >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds / Photo's > >Congrats Scott, Terry and Larry, >Those are some nice meteorites. Much better looking than the average Nevada >chondrite. Thank you for the posts and pics. I'll bet you were thrilled by >your first finds. > >Guido > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Larry Atkins <[email protected]> >>Sent: May 11, 2011 8:03 PM >>To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], >>[email protected] >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds / Photo's >> >>Hey Everyone, >> >>I just got home late last night from my extended trip out west. I >>loaded some pictures of Scott and Terri's and my finds from the Nevada >>dry lake hunt that Scott reported on. >> >>http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/Nevada%20Dry%20Lake%20Meteorite%20Hunt%20May%202011/ >> >>It's worth a glance, some of the meteorites were very nice looking with >>good crust and contraction cracks. There's a few pictures of my cat and >>dog too! >> >>I had a great time out there. Hunting with Scott and Terri is pleasure, >>thanks guys! >> >> >>Sincerely, >>Larry Atkins >> >>IMCA # 1941 >>Ebay alienrockfarm >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: John Lutzon <[email protected]> >>To: U.S. Airborne <[email protected]> >>Cc: [email protected] >>Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 8:53 pm >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds >> >> >>Terri, Scott & Sundance >> >>Thank you for the outline of your trek. Sounds like everyone had a >>great >>trip, even the sledgehammer had a good time. >> >>In a past life, i've had some aerobatic experiences in a composite >>German >>Grob, supposedly rated @ 13g's. The most i ever saw was 6-7 and then >>saw >>"grey". Don't go there! >> >>With the very serious issue at hand, it was quite refreshing to hear of >>your >>new finds and the story behind them!! >>I envy your ability to take such trips and enjoy the fever of "just one >>more >>hunt". >>(are the wife and vehicles for rent-and, most important, can Larry >>cook?) >>Sorry Larry. >> >>I hope others chime in on your story and new finds. >>The best to Sundance. >> >>John Lutzon >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "U.S. Airborne" >><[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 1:00 PM >>Subject: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds >> >>> Hi All, Just a quick update from out in the field. My Wife Terri & I >>had >>> to do a biz trip to Ca to teach flying. So I made arrangements to add >>a >>> few weeks of meteorite hunting in on the trip. We started out with >>> blizzard conditions at lake bed #1. Two nights the temp dipped to 15 >>then >>> 17 degrees. It was snowing, then raining, then hailing on us for a >>few >>> days, when out on the hunt. Lake bed 1 was a old strune field that we >>> worked over for 3 days. We recovered about 3 lbs that totaled over >>600 >>> meteorite frags. Weather was warming a bit so we moved to lake bed # >>2. It >>> was real difficult getting on this lake bed as the snow melt was >>draining >>> into it and it was nearly full of water. We still hunted the dry edge >>for >>> a day but no luck. There was lots of evidence of native Americans >>living >>> in the area . We hit the road for lake bed #3. We had made >>arrangements >>> for one of our meteorite hunting friends to come join us at lake bed >>#3. >>> once we arrived at the location #3 we found it difficult to find the >>> correct road onto the lake bed. During our hunt for the road out in >>> remote NV. I had a blow out on my Kawasaki teryx trailer. I had my >>lance >>> camper on the truck , so I could not see or feel that my trailer >>wheel had >>> blown, so by the time I stopped my tire & rim were destroyed. I had >>thrown >>> in a spare off my aircraft trailer before leaving the airpark. When I >>> tried to change the tire I find that my spare rim is about 1/8th inch >>> larger. So we camp for the night on this remote road. The next day I >>> unhooked the trailer leaving Terri & Sundance to to watch things. I >>gave >>> Terri my 9 mm to protect herself in case any yahoos gave her trouble. >>My >>> drive to the nearest town was a wake up call. There were no tire >>stores >>> left in this town. The last one went out of biz 3 days before I >>arrived >>> into town. I did find a guy to help me put the rubber off my rim that >>did >>> not fit onto the smashed up rim. I had a sledge hammer so I smashed >>the >>> rim into better shape. Once I we got the tire on, it was still >>leaking >>> air. I beat the edge of the rim with my sledge until it stopped >>leaking >>> air. To make a long story short I had to drive about 150 miles on >>this bad >>> rim & tire to the nearest big town where I got 8 ply rubber on all >>tires & >>> two new rims. By that afternoon we were back at Lakebed #3 for the >>hunt. >>> Larry arrived also, so the next day we hunted all day long with no >>finds >>> and nearly got stuck in our 4x4 buggy on the wet lake bed. Then on >>day two >>> Larry & found the strings of gravel that we were hunting for the day >>> before. Within a minute or two Larry found 1 nice one then 5 min >>later I >>> found a nice complete meteorite with flow lines about 20 ft from >>Larry's >>> find. It was barely magnetic so we looked it over real good & figured >>it >>> was likely a LL or possibly even more rare. It was past lunch so we >>headed >>> back to base camp for lunch & tell Terri of our finds & bring her >>back >>> after lunch for the hunt. Once we got back from lunch & back hunting, >>> within about 10 min I was showing Terri the string of rocks that we >>were >>> going to hunt real good. Just as I said she needs to find a nice big >>one, >>> I look down & there was a nice 60 gram specimen right in front of me. >>As I >>> was documenting my find. Terri located a real nice meteorite of her >>own, >>> it was a very nice looking meteorite with broken fusion crust & nice >>> olivine. Then just after Terri did here pics & GPS location about 100 >>> yards off Larry makes a real nice find. It was a real fresh looking >>rock. >>> It was amazing as it totally looked new. So we were on a nice finding >>run >>> as we hunted the long string of rocks that had been collecting in >>this >>> area for ages. In the end on this new lake bed Terri recovered 1 nice >>> meteorite, Larry had 3 and I had 3. So 7 new finds at this new >>location >>> was quite nice. After looking at our finds, it looks like 4 to >>possibly 5 >>> different meteorite falls. Once they get classified then we will know >>for >>> sure if our guesses are correct on types. Larry had to head the to >>east & >>> we headed west towards Ca. I was like a Alcoholic needing a other >>drink . >>> Or like a gambler that wants that one last bet. As a meteorite >>hunting >>> junky I needed just 1 more hunt. Just give me one more & I will be >>O.K. to >>> leave the lovely deserts I love so much. I knew of other lake beds I >>could >>> hunt on our way west but time was getting short. Terri was turning >>into a >>> meteorite hunting junkie also after her big 7 lb find this last Feb >>in AZ. >>> and then her 300 finds at the first strune field, then her last find >>a few >>> days back really set the hook on her meteorite hunting life style. So >>with >>> both of us now hooked on space rock hunting, we decided we had better >>stop >>> in & hunt one more lake bed for a day. I had been to this lake bed >>before >>> & found 6 small ones & 1 bigger one. But once we arrived we found the >>> lakebed had resurfaced and nothing was like it was before. The >>location I >>> had found meteorite before was now bare of all rocks all together. >>Just in >>> 1 winter this area totally changed. I followed some ice rafted rocks >>and >>> some other debris like old rubber tires that all got blown across the >>lake >>> bed in super strong NE winds & likely frozen lake bed. So we followed >>the >>> signs & hunted the western shore line where it all was blown into. >>Within >>> 15 min of hunting that shore I located a nice 30 gram meteorite that >>feels >>> like a H to me. Terri hunted her butt off but nothing else reviled >>itself >>> to us all morning. By noon the lakebed was a blow down & we had to >>leave. >>> It was a total white out of dust & very difficult to drive or find >>our way >>> off this now dusty mess. I found my tire tracks & followed them off >>in the >>> white out. Terri was driving the Kawasaki side by side off & she >>surely >>> ate lots of dust on her way off the lake bed. The blow down happened >>very >>> quickly & lasted for the afternoon. We are now in Ca. teaching flying >>& I >>> got to say I wish I was back hunting for flying rocks. On a great >>note, my >>> wife Terri is hooked big big time now on meteorite hunting. And I got >>to >>> say she is quite the hunter gal. Also, Larry is quite the fun & >>knowing >>> meteorite hunter & great to hunt with. Now back to important issues >>in >>> trying to figure out where to hunt on our way back home to WA State. >>Happy >>> hunting to all! >>> When I get time I will post a link for photos. >>> Scott , Terri & Sundance Johnson >>> U.S. AirBorne Sport Aviation LLC >>> Eagles Nest Airpark >>> Sport Pilot C.F.I WSC-L WSC-S >>> www.usairborne.com >>> [email protected] >>> Office 509-780-0554 >>> Cell 509-780-8377 >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Larry Atkins" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 9:28 AM >>> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Real or not real. >>> >>>> >>>> Greg, Jim, List, >>>> >>>> I found something while following up on a meteorite lead, a story of >>a >>>> witnessed fall by a farmer who picked up a 25 lb. rock that >>supposedly >>>> fell >>>> right in front of him. Many years later the great grandson wanted to >>get >>>> the 'meteorite' but it was nowhere to be found. >>>> He enlisted me to search the property where the farm once stood and >>I >>>> found this enigma in about an hour. When the great grandson saw the >>rock >>>> still setting on the ground where I found it he got really excited >>about, >>>> saying that he recognized it, I had found the 'meteorite'. >>>> >>>> I almost hate to dredge this story up but it is relevant to the >>thread. >>>> >>>> I found the rock in 2001. Within 3 weeks of its discovery and after >>>> passing through >>>> the hands of several esteemed meteorite experts It was sent to the >>>> U.S.Dept. of Energy for >>>> Al 26 counting. It was deemed by the >>>> U.S. D.O.E. not a meteorite due to a lack of Al 26. When I asked >>what it >>>> was they said they did not know, they were so certain it was a >>>> meteorite that they tested it for 100 times less Al 26 than >>>> they expected to find in a >>>> normal meteorite but still found none. I was told that it is a rock >>>> unlike any they had ever seen, perhaps from Disko Island (due to its >>Ni >>>> content) but not like anything they had seen from Disko Island. >>Since >>>> then, samples of it have been archived at three different >>Univerities >>>> for 'future study' should anything arise (or fall) to justify it. My >>>> own amateur research indicates to me that it may possibly be some >>sort of >>>> impact >>>> debris, possibly related to the KT impact. Two main reasons for this >>>> potential conclusion are the fact that Argon dating puts it at the >>>> right age, 75 ma. + / - 10 million, and the fact that there are some >>>> unusual crystals, tiny Cr spinels with a peculiar feature that are >>only >>>> found in one other place on Earth, the KT boundary layer. Those >>>> crystals, (in the KT) are pseudomorphs after spinel and the dirt >>>> immediately adjacent to the xtals is enriched in Cr. suggesting a >>>> possible relation. These crystals in the KT layer are thought to >>have >>>> condensed and >>>> precipitated from the plume that shrouded the planet. There is >>another >>>> camp that thinks the xtals may be from the impactor. >>>> >>>> To address Jim Wooddells concerns, let me say that I was told flat >>out >>>> that the reason they couldn't or wouldn't take this to the final >>>> conclussion was simple, it could jeopardize future funding and >>>> professional reputation. It seems that if a scientist spends a bunch >>of >>>> money and wastes a lot of time on an object that turns out to be >>>> nothing, monies and reputation are at stake. I can understand this I >>>> guess, but it seems like a sure way to ensure that the really odd >>stuff >>>> will not be recognized unless it's an irrefutable witnessed fall. >>>> >>>> Of course it could all be a big coincidence, just a man made rock >>that >>>> fooled the Argon dating process. Some have scoffed at it saying it >>is >>>> nothing unusual, but the majority of experts say that it is a very >>>> unusual rock. >>>> This is evident when looking at a sawn surface, you ca see that it's >>made >>>> of minerals with texture, it looks nearly >>>> identicle to D'Orbigny. In fact, several experts thought it was >>>> an angrite at first look. When I saw D'Orbigny the first time in >>ET's >>>> room I almost fell over. Tiny crystals in the vugs sparkling in the >>>> light like little diamonds, just like mine. On closer examination I >>saw >>>> that the crystals were not the same. >>>> >>>> To this day I do not know it's true origin, any meteoriticists or >>>> impact experts out there with deep pockets and nothing to lose care >>to >>>> take a stab at it? >>>> >>>> I posted some pictures to photobucket. >>>> >>>> http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/2001%20Find/ >>>> >>>> Ths is an extremely condensed version of the story, it's truly one >>of the >>>> most fascinating meteorwrong stories of all time. >>>> >>>> Happy Hunting! >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Larry Atkins >>>> >>>> IMCA # 1941 >>>> Ebay alienrockfarm >>>> >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Larry Atkins >>>> IMCA # 1941 >>>> Ebay alienrockfarm >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Jim Wooddell <[email protected]> >>>> To: Meteorite List <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:47 am >>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Real or not real. >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello Jeff, >>>> >>>> The problem with that analogy is that visual inspection is only a >>very >>>> small part of the testing of a rock. While your post appears to >>>> suggest the scientist could not tell, it does not indicate that any >>>> testing was completed on it. What testing was done on it??? >>>> I could be totally wrong but sure hope that with the bazillions of >>tax >>>> dollars spent on funding research, in this day and age, I would >>>> suggest that there better not be a rock out there the scientist can >>>> not identify. >>>> I really get the impression that maybe the scientists where being >>>> polite and not attempting to burst your bubble? >>>> Respectfully, what scientist in their right mind would turn down a >>>> valid cold find or a new fall specimen? Does this actually happen??? >>>> Any scientists out there??? >>>> >>>> Check out my number 4 of 4 finds on yesterday's hunt at Franconia : >>>> http://desrtsunburn.no-ip.org/DSCN0142.jpg (~5mb macro) >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> >>>> Jim Wooddell >>>> http://desertsunburn.no-ip.org >>>> --- >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Jeff Kuyken >><[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> I have a stone from years ago that appears oriented but weathered. >>It >>>> was >>>>> originally thought to be a planetary but that did not seem to pan >>out >>>>> clearly. The problem was that the very qualified scientist could >>not >>>> say for >>>>> sure what it was and could also not rule out other options like an >>>> Earth >>>>> meteorite either. Further tests were just too expensive and the >>budget >>>>> didn't allow for it. >>>>> >>>>> The thing is that the stone was even taken along to one of the >>Annual >>>> Met >>>>> Society meetings and passed around to various people along with a >>>> couple of >>>>> well known planetary scientists from NASA looking at it. A couple >>>> suggested >>>>> it is likely some sort of basalt but not one person could come up >>>> with any >>>>> idea of where or how it formed. Basically they said to just wait >>and >>>> see if >>>>> any other similar NWA's showed up over the years. I'm still >>waiting! >>>> ;-) >>>>> >>>>> So yes... there are definitely stones out there that stump even the >>>> best. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Jeff >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "GREG LINDH" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: "meteorite-list" <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 4:47 AM >>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Real or not real. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Are there any stones that have been found that are unable to be >>>>>> definitively identified as a meteorite? In other words, are there >>>> stones >>>>>> (metal or stony) that the meteorite experts of the world examine >>>> closely, >>>>>> and then just say, "We just don't know"? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Greg L. >>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>> Visit the Archives at >>>>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>> Visit the Archives at >>>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>>> >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> Visit the Archives at >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> Visit the Archives at >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> >>______________________________________________ >>Visit the Archives at >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>[email protected] >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >>______________________________________________ >>Visit the Archives at >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>[email protected] >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >______________________________________________ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >[email protected] >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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