Hi Julie

I will get some example input files for this situation when the model
crashes, but I won't have the output roadcast file because...er...well
the model crashes :)

Regarding your comment that the input obs file end timestep should be
the same as the input forecast start timestep ; how does the coupling
stage of the model work in this case ... i.e. in the example you gave,
there's no overlap of obs and forecast and so there's no way for the
model to learn from the forecast biases. Maybe I'm missing something.

Regards
Iain

-----Original Message-----
From: Julie Prestopnik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: November 12, 2007 12:19 PM
To: Iain Russell
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Metro-developers] METRo crashes when obs and forecast
start times are the same

Hi Iain.

I'm not sure if I'm interpreting your message correctly or not.  It
sounds like you want the input observation file and the input forecast
file to start at the same time.  For example, having them both start at:

2006-07-12T00:00Z

But instead, METRo wants to have the first input forecast time the same
as the last input observation time.  So, for example, my observation
file would start at 2006-07-12T00:00Z and end at 2006-07-12T12:00Z.
And, my forecast file would start at 2006-07-12T12:00Z and end at
2006-07-15T23:00Z.

METRo wants to get the model going by using input observations to start
with and then use the forecast information following the observations to
help determine the roadcast.

The issue that I reported back on April 6th, was a different situation.
 We only had one hour of forecast data, but METRo requires at least two
hours of forecast data.

I hope this has helped.  Also, if you want help in reproducing
behaviour, it's always helpful to attach all of your I/O files
(observation file, atmospheric forecast file, station configuration
file, output roadcast file) and the command line that you're using.
That way we can test the exact problem that you're having without having
major differences.

Let us know if you have any further questions or need any assistance.

Thanks,
Julie

Iain Russell wrote:
> Hi
> 
> We have found that METRo crashes when both the input observation file
> and the input forecast file start at the same timestep.
> 
> Operationally we are running version 2.1.1, but we also did a test
with
> the latest stable release and got the same result. In order to
> circumvent the problem we are capturing more historical forecast data
> than observation data so that our 2 input files never start at the
same
> time. 
> 
> A similar-looking issue was reported on April 6th 2007 by Julie
> Prestopnik ; but I'm unsure if the case that Julie reported and the
one
> I'm reporting here are related in any way. 
> 
> Can someone do a test to see if you can reproduce the behaviour I'm
> reporting here ; make the first timestep in the input observation file
> and the forecast file the same times.
> 
> Thanks
> Iain
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
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