Hi Brandon
Helping Mezzanine become novice friendly would be great I think.
There are 3 articles written by Ross Laird that I have consistently found really useful...

1. http://www.rosslaird.com/blog/first-steps-with-mezzanine/
2. http://www.rosslaird.com/blog/building-a-project-with-mezzanine/
3. http://www.rosslaird.com/blog/customizing-mezzanine/

In terms of why Mezzanine is designed the way it is, well that is a big question. I have listened to this video http://blog.jupo.org/2014/08/21/pycon-apac-keynote-mezzanine/ a few times where Stephen McDonald talks about Mezzanine. It could be useful to give you a background as to where Mezzanine came from. I have heard that Vimeo may not be super accessible. Let me know if you have problems accessing the video...

Take Care
Graham

On 30/04/15 06:52, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
Hello,
I have been looking around the web, comparing different python CMSes with Mezzanine and I keep coming back here. I am wondering why mezzanine does not implement functionality for non developers to use it out of the box? So for example, I have my website on wordPress and would like to migrate it to mezzanine. I know python, but not django. In order for me to move my site to mezzanine and make it look like I want, I need to both modify the CSS file, the template files, learn django so I can display some variables that I have on my front-page and figure out how to deploy mezzanine on a server. After I get my website up and running I want to learn django and start building apps. Granted, mezzanine has a much easier entry than any other python CMS I found, but I think it could and should be a little easier. After all, there is a huge audience of people who know basic python and would really like to use a python CMS, but don't want to learn django or a complex templating language to create a good looking website. For example, why does it take 5 commands to run? (granted 5 is really good as most other places take 10+), but mezzanine-project myproject could totally make the db, setup the user and ask if you would like to run the server. (possibly a -s or -b could setup the server for server-side development and -b could set the folder like it is now). I have not yet deployed it on a server yet, so can't say how difficult it is, but it would be really awesome if mezzanine either did what wordPress.com does or give a really easy (no more than 10 step) tutorial on how to install mezzanine on something like Python Anywhere. Also, why does mezzanine not have a content folder with subfolders of plugins, themes, apps and the default templates? I think it would be super easy to make and would promote well-organized site structure.

I know that mezzanine is built for developers, but so is python. I think that mezzanine could totally remain super developer friendly while also being non programmer and basic python programmer friendly.

These are just a few thoughts from someone who is just coming into mezzanine never having developed for the web in python before. (Other than brython :)). I really would like to tell people to use mezzanine rather than wordPress because learning how to script in python is just so much easier than learning how to script in PHP, but currently it is too complex. I am learning django and hopefully I can either make a separate CMS based off mezzanine or help mezzanine to become novice friendly.
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs <http://www.brandonkeithbiggs.com/>
On 4/22/2015 4:46 PM, Josh Cartmell wrote:
Hi Brandon, hopefully the following are helpful answers!

 1. Title + the publishing controls are present across all things
    that inherit from the Displayable class where as the type of
content on those various models will vary from class to class. Blog Posts have categories and content, Rich Text Pages just have
    content, Links have no content, etc... All the admin classes of
    those models inherit from Displayable so they end up all having
    those things grouped.  Besides the technical reasons I think the
    consistency is useful and I find it nice to always be able to
    have the publishing controls right there.
 2. The editor is a WYSIWYG, particularly one called TinyMCE.  Here's
    what they have to say about accessibility,
    http://www.tinymce.com/wiki.php/TinyMCE3x:Accessibility, but
    maybe some or all of that isn't working?
    You can change what is used though, for example in your project's
    settings.py file you could put:
    RICHTEXT_WIDGET_CLASS = "forms.Textarea"
    Doing that should get rid of the WYSIWYG and those types of
    fields should just show up as normal HMTL textareas. That would
    affect any admin user, not just yourself.
 3. There isn't anything like that built in, there might be other
    projects that do things like that for Django that you could
    integrate with Mezzanine.
 4. I don't think we have considered Brython but it should be easy to
    integrate any front end technology you want. Right now Mezzanine
    ships with Twitter Bootstrap as a frontend framework and I think
    most people, myself included, are very happy with it.  But
    really, Mezzanine doesn't force front end technology on you, it
    just default to Twitter Bootstrap and you can change that easily
    by changing your project's base.html
    Brython does look interesting though so I may have to take a look
    at it at some point!
 5. Mezzanine does have some user account/profile support. Here are
    the docs, http://mezzanine.jupo.org/docs/user-accounts.html.
    Mezzanine doesn't have any social login support but there are
    quite a few Django apps that do that which you could use to add
    that functionality
 6. I tend to use https://www.digitalocean.com/ (VPS) or
    https://www.webfaction.com/ (shared host).  I've never used it on
    a cPanel host but you do need ssh access to a host to be able to
    deploy Mezzanine.
7. Mezzanine doesn't have plugins in the same sense as Wordpress. You can't install anything through Mezzanine's admin interface
    other than possibly adding some Javascript to the content of
    pages.  Here is a list of modules that have been created for use
    with Mezzanine,
    http://mezzanine.jupo.org/docs/overview.html#third-party-modules
    but most if not all of them probably require modifying at a
    minimum your projects settings.py file

Here are a few more thoughts:

Mezzanine is Django so anything you can do with Django you can do in Mezzanine. That means that when you look for modules you can cast a wider net than just looking for things that were specifically made for Mezzanine

The following is my opinion and I'm sure my bias towards Mezzanine will show. Mezzanine and Wordpress have fundamentally different philosophies. Wordpress is more targeted at end users by making it easy to install plugins through the admin interface. I tend to think that with a Wordpress site you could get 80% to 90% of the functionality you want with plugins but that last 10% may be very difficult. Mezzanine on the other hand requires you to either have a developer or know how to code yourself. It doesn't try to be all things to all people but does provide a solid core feature set and makes it easy for a Django developer to add missing functionality.

Hopefully that helps. Welcome to Mezzanine and please keep asking questions. Good luck!


On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 6:10 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Hello,
    After spending 8 months with wordPress, I am throwing my hands up
    and moving back to my home language python.
    I saw mezzanine was probably the cms that would give me the least
    problems, but I have some questions:
    1. The edit page screen is really messy and difficult to
    navigate. I am using a screen reader, so that may be part of it,
    but why is the publish date stuff right under the title? why is
    not content right under title? I would like to enter the title,
    hit tab and enter the page content. Also, why is the body text
    editor not a multi edit field? The weird thing is that it now is
    almost unusable... I can't use navigation commands to get into it
    or out of it, it says "paragraph editable" while arrowing through
    each line and there is no advantage anywhere for having this.
    Perhaps it is a wysiwyg editor and that is why I don't see
    anything good about it. If so, how can I disable the wysiwyg
    editor for my account?
    2. Not being able to write html from within the editor is
    horrible, I need to fix it. I spent all last night trying to
    think about how one could change the user permissions on them
    self, but couldn't come up with anything. Perhaps it has to do
    with the backend, but it just seems so unlikely it will never happen.
    3. Is it possible to add short-codes or code within the editor so
    I can access variables and or functions that I have created
    without making a template?
    4. Has mezzanine considered distributing brython along with the
    servers? I can add it, but it would make more sense to have
    things in brython rather than javascript for a python based
    product...
    5. How is the user account support? I would like to have people
    connect with Facebook or google and grab info from there to
    populate the user's fields on their account pages.
    6. What hosts are easy to use with mezzanine? I am looking for a
    new one and would prefer one with CPanel.
    7. Are all the plugins there on the front page? Is there a way to
    get plugins or templates from within the dashboard? This is
    something that makes wordPress exceptional for quick development.
    Thank you,

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