Check out comp.cad.solidworks there is a thread going on there, same subject "Congress: Hearings on Mold and Die Ind.". Here is part of the thread that I responded to you have to read it form the bottom up for it to make sense. I all so posted the BANKRUPTING THE UNITED STATES article to this thread. Some people only on homed in on the last few sentences and said it racist regardless of what other information it contained.
John comp.cad.solidworks "Congress: Hearings on Mold and Die Ind." Congress: Hearings on Mold and Die Ind. There is not much technology in a log. 1 log = 1 log, prints to one mold = how many molds do you want. You think this problem only applies to mold manufacturing. You are wrong. Ill be laughing when all design work is done in China and you are out of a job, remember don't whine. It is easy to build parts cheap when your labor cost is less than what an American company has to pay in associated regulatory costs. Do you think the Chinese have to worry about any environmental regulations? Do you think the have OSHA, Workers Comp, benefits? I guess getting a meal would be considered a benefit. You think this is just a manufacturing problem? Read the following report from the Business Software Alliance on pirated software around the world. http://www.bsa.org/resources/2001-05-21.55.pdf Looks like 94% of the software used in China is illegal, total cost uhm just a little over 4 billion dollars, that's chump change right, stop whining. I wonder how many copies are of SolidWorks. Want to read a horror story? Read the Cox Commission Report. http://www.house.gov/coxreport/cont/gncont.html . I wonder what the title of Chapter 1 is? Chapter 1: "PRC Acquisition of U.S. Technology". I'm sure they pay for everything they steal. O wait I mean they steal everything they steal. You get the point. DO you think patents; copyrights or any other law mean anything to China? I doubt it. Let everyone else do the research and development steal it and use it as you own. Better yet, get paid to steal the technology when you make somthing for pennies on the dollar. What a great way to cut cost, I think I'll start today. By the way Phil what do you use SolidWorks for, I think that's the same thing I'm going to do it will be you design but I guess that doesn't matter. Don't whine. Remember when we are all out of job because of Chinese unfair trade practices and theft of technology, NO WHINING. John "Phil Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:3cbb4aa3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I wish you guys would stop looking for excuses as to why an industry is > having a hard time, start in your own backyard. > A tariff of 29% has been put on Canadian lumber because the lobbyists stated > that stumping costs were being government subsidised, this tariff has not > been levied against raw logs that can be processed in the States, creating > or keeping jobs, even though this so called stumping rate applies to the > logs as well. > Stop whining!!!! > "Jim D" <"molds(NOSPAM)"@starband.net> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Sorry for the off subject post but this is very important for tool > > maker/designers > > > > AMBA > > We have been asked by the International Trade Commission to supply them > > with information on the U.S. moldmaking industry as they begin their > > investigation into the effects of offshore competition, unfair trade > > practices of other countries and to determine what the U.S. government > > might do to assist U.S. moldmakers. This survey seeks information about > > your business conditions past and present, and your outlook for the > > future; competitive issues, strategic planning, and the implementation > > of technology at your facility. Please download this survey and fax it > > back to the AMBA by April 25. > > > > Please go here and fill out the survey. > > http://www.amba.org/ > > > > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! ==----- -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [mfg-smartcam] China problem does exist Hi all, It is good practice to verify the facts in these internet chain letters. But, regardless of the authenticity of the sources in this particular letter, the problem is real. Shops are going out of business. Work formerly done here in the USA is now being outsourced to China. You don't see the Dell, IBM, and Compaq ads stating that you get such a great deal on a pc system because they outsource the stamping operations overseas for labor rates around $.27/ hour, do you? In my opinion, the problem is different now than when the tariff laws were enacted. Originally they were intended to protect US businesses from unfair competition. Now, it's THE US businesses that want to take advantage of the cheap labor rates. Please correct me if I'm wrong on the tariff laws. We build progressive stamping dies. The same projects quoted in China come in cheaper than what the steel alone would cost us here. This is true. They don't need a beautiful, complex progressive die to do a job. They will instead build a series of easy to design and build stage tooling and pay extra workers the low wages to move the parts from one stage die to the next. I can verify the Caterpillar part of the letter. I read about it in a TMA newsletter here in the Chicago area. Regards, Chris Kocourek Tool & Die Designer Flextronics Tool & Design -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 9:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [mfg-smartcam] China Likewise I could find no listing of a Scott R, Sando nor Elite Mold & Design in Erie, Meadville, or anywhere else in Pennsylvania or neighboring Ohio and New York. Couldn't find a lead on Glenn Caspary either. Apparently a hoax/chain letter, just more bull in the China shop. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Rick Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 2:29 PM > Subject: Enlightening info > > > > > BANKRUPTING THE UNITED STATES > > > > > > June 17, 2001 > > > > > > Tool shops in the U.S. are going down due to the Chinese > > > connection. <SNIP> > > > Talk to Caterpillar, they hit on the Chinese connection two years > > > ago. Their D-9 diesel motor was tolled up and built In China. > > > When Caterpillar buyers went over to check on progress they saw > > > several sets of duplicate tools. Now, two years later, the > > > Chinese version of the D-9 diesel sells for about 20 cents on the > > > dollar. ====================================================================== To find out more about this mailing list including how to unsubscribe, send the message "info mfg-smartcam" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ====================================================================== ====================================================================== To find out more about this mailing list including how to unsubscribe, send the message "info mfg-smartcam" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ======================================================================
