When I created this list and this group, I really want to facilitate productive local discussions on linux and open source. We all have a lot to learn from one another, and having a forum to share and express that is something I think is valuable.

What's not very valuable is the tone that has happened of late. It's a tone the reinforces the worst stereo types of geeks. Passive aggressive behavior, not being able to get out a full paragraph without ensuring that you've dissed something you found yourself superior to, expressing your rage against the machine/man/small fuzzy lemur.

While I understand that there are few role models of good behavior on the internet, just because their is junk all over your neighbors lawn doesn't mean you should throw trash out on yours.

So, I've got a couple of options. #1 just shut down the list, because honestly I have very little interest in reading the tone of most of the posts anymore. I'm pretty sure that's true for many folks here. I've walked into many an office at IBM with someone saying to me "seriously, they are still going on about that?" I've watched unsubscribes from a number of people of late that were valuable members of this community at one point.

#2 try to get things back into a civil state. And to this end I ask for some help from everyone. When someone starts a thread as troll bait, let it lie, don't respond. Much like children or puppies acting out, response just encourages people on that it's acceptable behavior. It's not.

I'm going to start flipping on individual moderation bits for some of the more blatant offenders of civility here.

I have no interest in running a moderated list, it's just too much work, and I fundamentally don't believe in censorship, so if we can't get the tone back to something constructive I'll convert the list to announcements only, and stop hosting a general discussion list here.

If you want to rant, get a blog.  Find you audience elsewhere.

        -Sean

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Sean Dague                                       Mid-Hudson Valley
sean at dague dot net                            Linux Users Group
http://dague.net                                 http://mhvlug.org

There is no silver bullet.  Plus, werewolves make better neighbors
than zombies, and they tend to keep the vampire population down.
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