Intel MacBooks don't technically have a BIOS, but to reset the System
Management Controller (SMC), is a similar procedure.  Holding down the
power button for 5sec, with no main battery, or charger present.

I found a cool tool/app called Kill CMOS which clears all the volatile
CMOS info.  Some laptops have a soldered on CMOS battery, making
clearing difficult if no jumper is listed.  

I have had some odd behavior in the past, from BIOS's.  After having a
laptop apart for over a week, )waiting on parts) a mysterious BIOS
password appeared after reassembly.  I also had a Toshiba laptop with a
reported bug.  After plugging an iPod the system would freeze.  A hard
power off would result in no boot, requiring the CMOS to be cleared.
Toshiba had an updated BIOS to fix the issue.  I can't imagine working
on computers without Google "in my pocket".

Glad to hear the Acer is up and running well.


Eric



On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 21:35 -0400, Chris Knadle wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2011 20:16:28 Cranky Frankie wrote:
> > I think I fixed my netbook shutting down problem. This may be unique
> > to the Acer Aspire One netbook, however.
> > 
> > Researching it further I found recommendations for upgrading the bios
> > to v. 3310. I had done that weeks ago, but there was a part I had
> > missed. After the bios update, you have to unplug the netbook, remove
> > the battery, and then hold the power on switch for at least 2 minutes
> > to clear the mobo. The instructions were specific - one minute would
> > not work, had to be two. Don't know if this drained the caps or
> > whatever, but it seems to have worked (I'm hunting and pecking on
> > battery power alone on the tiny keyboard right now).
> 
> My understanding of the way that BIOS chips work is that there's a FLASH RAM 
> area that you program, and a separate battery-backed area with the same 
> information which gets copied into running computer RAM at power-up.  When 
> you 
> re-flash the BIOS, you're copying over the "master" copy in the FLASH RAM 
> memory of the BIOS chip, but this does NOT automatically get copied into the 
> battery-backed RAM of the BIOS chip that is actually USED when you power up 
> the computer.  This explains why you need to go through the special procedure 
> to drain all power -- because that's the only way to remove the 
> battery-backed 
> RAM copy of the BIOS in order to force the "master" to be copied over into 
> the 
> battery-backed RAM portion of the BIOS again so that it's used for bootup.  
> The BIOS uses a CRC checksum algorithm, and if the checksum stored doesn't 
> match the expected CRC calculated from the algorithm, that's what triggers 
> the 
> copying procedure from "master" to the battery-backed RAM area.
> 
> The battery-backed BIOS RAM also contains any user BIOS choices, so if you 
> had 
> changed any BIOS settings you'll likely have to go fiddle with those again.
> 
> What isn't clear is what holding down the power button actually does.  What 
> most motherboards in Desktop PCs do is to have a jumper to allow the user to 
> short the power going to the BIOS -- and I think what that actually does is 
> short the +3 Volts from the lithium backup battery to ground during the time 
> the jumper is set to "clear".  I think that's likewise what's going on with 
> the power button for this laptop -- while you're holding it down for a couple 
> of minutes, the lithium BIOS backup battery is being shorted to ground.  It's 
> likely that the BIOS chip /also/ contains it's own internal "temporary" 
> backup 
> power source (a capacitor, or possibly even an internal lithium battery), 
> which is why you have to hold down the power button for longer than you'd 
> expect.
> 
> There are chips that actually have a lithium battery built into them 
> internally, such as those found in Real-Time Clock (RTC) chips -- and these 
> also usually come with a RAM area that is battery-backed with the internal + 
> external backup battery.  This is why I'm not sure if you might actually be 
> shorting a lithium battery that's internal to a chip or not when you're 
> holding down the power button.
> 
> The point being here is that you probably don't want to do this too often, 
> even though it is occasionally necessary.
> 
> > Well, unlike many computer PITAes, this one seems to finally be fixed
> > (and I'll make sure to keep the dust out of the vent holes too,
> > thanks).
> 
> Glad it's fixed -- that's what matters.
> 
>   -- Chris
> 
> --
> 
> Chris Knadle
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