When I was a kid my Grandmother lived in a 6 family house, they were called 
cold water railroad flats as all the rooms were in a straight line with no 
hallway.  She had a stove like that in the kitchen but by the time I came along 
it had been modified to work on gas for the cooking and had a “sidearm” to 
generate hot water for the kitchen and bathroom sink and tub.  Of course there 
still was no heat in the apartment.  L

 

 

 

Larry
 
White Knight      1991 Crystal White   #99 CSP
Silver Bullet        1992 Silverstone     #17 SM2  FM I+ Turbo
Honey B             1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L  JR Supercharger
Whooosh           2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5
 
LowCountry Miata  http://www.lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Cooper
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:14 PM
To: Dan Wink
Cc: 'Miata Power List'
Subject: Re: NPC: NMC: Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less - Petition

 

I was just up in western NY picking up a 1906 Queen Atlantic built by Portland 
Foundry.   It has been used continuously in my in-law's cabin for 25 years. 
Prior to that it sat in a barn for 10 years.  My wife has fond memories of 
hunting for it with her father when she was a child.  Found in a front yard in 
Maine weathering away.  Anyway, when her parents decided to sell the cabin, the 
wife expressed a desire to have the Queen... so off we went to get it (all 600+ 
lbs if it).  I planned on cleaning it up and simply using it as a piece of 
furniture, but I may actually install it... or at the very least pick up the 
necessary parts to plumb it out of the roof - just in case!  A few pictures of 
the Queen Atlantic can be seen here in the links below...   it is a great 
looking antique stove with 6 stove top burners, an oven, and optional hot water 
tank.  We have all the cast iron cooking utensils as well.

http://antiquecookstove.com/inventory-popup.asp?item=13282 
<http://antiquecookstove.com/inventory-popup.asp?item=13282&pic=39445> 
&pic=39445
http://antiquecookstove.com/inventory-popup.asp?item=13282 
<http://antiquecookstove.com/inventory-popup.asp?item=13282&pic=39447&trk=FALSE>
 &pic=39447&trk=FALSE
http://antiquecookstove.com/inventory-popup.asp?item=13282 
<http://antiquecookstove.com/inventory-popup.asp?item=13282&pic=39448&trk=FALSE>
 &pic=39448&trk=FALSE 

Tony

Dan Wink wrote: 

Well Jim,

 

That is a great tool to help people choose less impactful automobiles in the AZ 
area, but here in the Northeast we are going to likely have senior citizens on 
social security turning into ice cubes this winter as a result of the increase 
to heating oil (aka Diesel) 

 

A much more efficient way to govern peoples personal decisions regarding the 
automobiles they choose to buy would be an annual registration tax based on 
weight or economy—or adding to the cost of road fuel via tax per gallon 
(although it is the best way, it is political suicide and nobody dares to 
introduce it).

 

In the northern most county of Maine (Maine is the oldest state in the nation, 
and the far north county of Maine is the oldest in the state btw…) we have 
people that burn between 1500 and 2000 gallons of fuel per winter in old farm 
houses- nearly a $10,000 annual cost.  SSI income for the whole year is barely 
enough to cover just the fuel to heat the house, let alone food.

 

This is impacting more than the daily commute and with serious consequences for 
those of us that don’t live in the sunbelt.  It will have a devastating impact 
on people below the poverty line.

 

In 2004 heating oil was averaging $1.42 per gallon.  This year, we have pre-buy 
offers at $4.99, that is a 3.35X increase in only 4 seasons with no cost 
adjustment for our own elderly and disabled.

 

That may be why no one has ever listened to you about increasing the price of 
gas and oil, it reaches far deeper than our cars.

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 1:41 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: NPC: NMC: Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less - Petition

 

I have said for years - although no one has ever listened - that gasoline 
should cost more. I'll complain as much as anyone, but price will - and already 
has - had a major impact on the consumer's decision making. New truck and SUV 
sales are way off this year.

 

Ever ride bumper cars at the fair? Nobody gets hurt because all the "vehicles" 
are the same size. That's the way to make our streets and highways safer as 
well.

 

And, FWIW, here in the arid west water should be a lot more expensive as well. 
It is way to cheap and people make a lot of bad decisions based on cheap water.

 

Jim in Tucson

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 6/20/2008 9:53:40 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:

Personally, I would love to see oil stay high like  it is – but not enough to 
break the economy – and let the economics continue to spur alternatives to 
enough of an unstoppable degree that even if the competition drives oil back 
down (not likely with china and india and oil nations themselves increasing 
demand), we have other choices.

 

There seems delightfully a bewildering array of alternatives RIGHT NOW!  solar, 
wind, thermal, tidal, safer nuclear, electricf cars, hydrauilic hybrids, better 
batteries, fuel cells, smart highways, SO MUCH!

 

Why would anyone go back to singular reliance on stinky fossil fuels alone?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert McElwee
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 12:36 AM
To: Fred Hubert
Cc: miatapower List
Subject: Re: NPC: NMC: Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less - Petition

 

Even though I disagree with everything Thomas said and have a huge problem with 
his leftist thinking, I don't see any reason to stop him from saying it. If he 
wants to show that he is a complete moron (in a NMC/NPC thread) I have no 
problem with it. If someone starts spouting political garbage in my "rear main 
oil seal" thread then they should be strung up by their testicles.




On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Fred Hubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Let's keep the politics off list please.

~ Fred


Thomas Smith wrote:
> I think we need to see this issue for what it really is. Access to
> cheaper oil will not lower gas prices, but it will increase oil
> company profits which I think is the likely goal of the Bush
> administration. This idea that the oil companies would pass any cost
> reductions onto the consumer is comical.



-- 
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www.lightweightmiata.com/mpg

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