Larry,
There was a side tank option for heating water that attached to the
right side of the stove (looking at it from the front). I have seen
several modified for gas burners on the top and electric ovens. I
think I am going to keep this one on wood or coal. I just picked up
"stove black" to protect it from rust. I have it in pieces and will be
cleaning each part, applying stove black, and reassembling it. No room
for it in the kitchen, but my wife has a place for it in the living
room. If propane and/or electricity become too expensive I'll fire up
the Queen!
Several years ago I purchased and replaced a 300 gallon propane tank
with a 1000 gal tank. I wanted a 2500 gal tank but the local government
would not allow me to have it in our area. Our home is heated by a very
efficient propane/natural gas furnace (95-97%). It is so efficient that
the exhaust is vented with PVC pipe out the side of the house. I only
use propane for hot water and heat. The 1000 gal tank will get us
through 18-24 months depending on the severity of the winters. I am
constantly shopping (by price) and fill up when propane hits it low
points (typically mid to late summer, but it varies).
I worry about price and spot shortages of any commodities so I try to
have a minimum 6 month cushion to hold our family over in bad times.
Looking into my crystal ball I see unstable times coming for the
foreseeable future. Dollar devaluing, global supply/demand issues, job
flight to foreign soil, political instability, creeping socialism, stock
market tanking to 10000 or lower... time to hunker down and insure you
ride out the down turn.
Simply take a look at the 3 month long farmer & truckers strikes in
Argentina for an example of the type of disruptions possible. Grocery
store shelves are bare. The government is taking a tough stand and the
farmers / truckers not backing down. Ad hoc highway roadblocks popping
up all over the country. 200 highways are blocked on any given day.
I am not advocating panic, but prudent preparation.
Tony
Larry Alster wrote:
When I was a kid my Grandmother lived in a 6 family house, they were
called cold water railroad flats as all the rooms were in a straight
line with no hallway. She had a stove like that in the kitchen but by
the time I came along it had been modified to work on gas for the
cooking and had a “sidearm” to generate hot water for the kitchen and
bathroom sink and tub. Of course there still was no heat in the
apartment. L
Larry
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*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Tony Cooper
*Sent:* Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:14 PM
*To:* Dan Wink
*Cc:* 'Miata Power List'
*Subject:* Re: NPC: NMC: Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less - Petition
I was just up in western NY picking up a 1906 Queen Atlantic built by
Portland Foundry. It has been used continuously in my in-law's cabin
for 25 years. Prior to that it sat in a barn for 10 years. My wife
has fond memories of hunting for it with her father when she was a
child. Found in a front yard in Maine weathering away. Anyway, when
her parents decided to sell the cabin, the wife expressed a desire to
have the Queen... so off we went to get it (all 600+ lbs if it). I
planned on cleaning it up and simply using it as a piece of furniture,
but I may actually install it... or at the very least pick up the
necessary parts to plumb it out of the roof - just in case! A few
pictures of the Queen Atlantic can be seen here in the links
below... it is a great looking antique stove with 6 stove top
burners, an oven, and optional hot water tank. We have all the cast
iron cooking utensils as well.
http://antiquecookstove.com/inventory-popup.asp?item=13282&pic=39445
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http://antiquecookstove.com/inventory-popup.asp?item=13282&pic=39447&trk=FALSE
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Tony
Dan Wink wrote:
Well Jim,
That is a great tool to help people choose less impactful automobiles
in the AZ area, but here in the Northeast we are going to likely have
senior citizens on social security turning into ice cubes this winter
as a result of the increase to heating oil (aka Diesel)
A much more efficient way to govern peoples personal decisions
regarding the automobiles they choose to buy would be an annual
registration tax based on weight or economy—or adding to the cost of
road fuel via tax per gallon (although it is the best way, it is
political suicide and nobody dares to introduce it).
In the northern most county of Maine (Maine is the oldest state in the
nation, and the far north county of Maine is the oldest in the state
btw…) we have people that burn between 1500 and 2000 gallons of fuel
per winter in old farm houses- nearly a $10,000 annual cost. SSI
income for the whole year is barely enough to cover just the fuel to
heat the house, let alone food.
This is impacting more than the daily commute and with serious
consequences for those of us that don’t live in the sunbelt. It will
have a devastating impact on people below the poverty line.
In 2004 heating oil was averaging $1.42 per gallon. This year, we
have pre-buy offers at $4.99, that is a 3.35X increase in only 4
seasons with no cost adjustment for our own elderly and disabled.
That may be why no one has ever listened to you about increasing the
price of gas and oil, it reaches far deeper than our cars.
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*Subject:* Re: NPC: NMC: Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less - Petition
I have said for years - although no one has ever listened - that
gasoline should cost more. I'll complain as much as anyone, but price
will - and already has - had a major impact on the consumer's decision
making. New truck and SUV sales are way off this year.
Ever ride bumper cars at the fair? Nobody gets hurt because all the
"vehicles" are the same size. That's the way to make our streets and
highways safer as well.
And, FWIW, here in the arid west water should be a lot more expensive
as well. It is way to cheap and people make a lot of bad decisions
based on cheap water.
Jim in Tucson
In a message dated 6/20/2008 9:53:40 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Personally, I would love to see oil stay high like it is – but
not enough to break the economy – and let the economics continue
to spur alternatives to enough of an unstoppable degree that even
if the competition drives oil back down (not likely with china and
india and oil nations themselves increasing demand), we have other
choices.
There seems delightfully a bewildering array of alternatives RIGHT
NOW! solar, wind, thermal, tidal, safer nuclear, electricf cars,
hydrauilic hybrids, better batteries, fuel cells, smart highways,
SO MUCH!
Why would anyone go back to singular reliance on stinky fossil
fuels alone?
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Robert
McElwee
*Sent:* Saturday, June 21, 2008 12:36 AM
*To:* Fred Hubert
*Cc:* miatapower List
*Subject:* Re: NPC: NMC: Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less - Petition
Even though I disagree with everything Thomas said and have a huge
problem with his leftist thinking, I don't see any reason to stop
him from saying it. If he wants to show that he is a complete
moron (in a NMC/NPC thread) I have no problem with it. If someone
starts spouting political garbage in my "rear main oil seal"
thread then they should be strung up by their testicles.
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Fred Hubert
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Let's keep the politics off list please.
~ Fred
Thomas Smith wrote:
> I think we need to see this issue for what it really is. Access to
> cheaper oil will not lower gas prices, but it will increase oil
> company profits which I think is the likely goal of the Bush
> administration. This idea that the oil companies would pass any cost
> reductions onto the consumer is comical.
--
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