I have to say I'm kind of enjoying these emails. I think Bill's right, the FM turbo's are now so well sorted we just don't have many problems to try and solve. 3 years strong on my 94 FM2 and have yet to experience any issues other than bad plug wires and a blown off intercooler pipe.
Here's my contribution to the dialog: http://www.ronpaul.com/ Will (going back to my quiet little corner) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Alster" <[email protected]> To: "'Rob Argento'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:52 PM Subject: RE: NMC - Healthcare Crisis Debate / Gay Marriage /Fair tax > Again you need to read the info on the bill. It's not the same as a flat > tax or a VAT for a number of different reasons. > > Not the least of which is the Prebate which allows the "poor" to live > virtually tax free. > > > > > Larry Alster > > 91 Miata White Knight > 92 Miata Silver Bullet > 92 Miata Honey B > 04 MSM MX-5 Whooosh > 06 WRX STi Subie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rob Argento > Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:41 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: NMC - Healthcare Crisis Debate / Gay Marriage /Fair tax > > I have not taken part in the "debate" in that it hasn't been very > informative. I have heard the same > old arguments/accusations from all. But I DO believe that there is a need > for exchange and debate. > I only wish it was a bit more civil and not a boxing contest to see who > can > get in the quickest > blows. If you guys have a hard time understanding the civil war in > Yugoslavia, neighbor against > neighbor, just reread your own exchange. > > Besides, I lurk here to read about Miata power issues, not uninformative > debates and verbal boxing > matches. > > That being said, I found it interesting that the concept of the "fair tax" > was brought up. And Larry > is, of course, right in saying that we should look at it before simply > throwing it out based upon > its name or which politicians have brought it up. > > As I understand it the "Fair tax" is a tax paid on consumption of > services, > goods, whatever paid by > the end buyer. Much like a sales tax or the European VAT or the Swedish > MOMS. Yes, there are > differences, but for all practical purposes it is a tax not on income but > taken out when you USE the > money for your own pleasure or need. > > While the American designers of this proposal probably mean well, I have > lived under this system > and, quite frankly, it doesn't work and is far from being fair. In Sweden > (and Denmark) this tax is > 25%. Something that would have cost $100 actually costs me $125. It is > a > 25% added on tax - or > counted backwards, 20% of all money I spend is tax. Well, sounds fair > but... > > What is created is an enormous black market. Someone comes to me and > wants > to buy a computer for > let us say $1000. Well, actually I only get $800. $200 is tax which I > will > hand over to Uncle Sven. > My company will make a profit on the $800 and this I pay a tax on. My > customer only HAS $800 to > spend. Do I say no to the sale or just keep it off of the books. In fact > if > I keep it off of the > books, I will reduce my profit and thus my income tax (for in Sweden we > also > have an income tax). > > The system creates an incentive to make one's major purchases outside of > the > country. Why should I > buy my BMW in Sweden if I can go to Poland and buy it there for 20% less? > Or clothing, or > electronics or food or gasoline if I live near a boarder? OK, most people > can't afford to travel > that far, but those with the MOST money to spend most often have even the > means to travel and an > even bigger incentive - in that richer people simply buy more stuff. > > So, the poor schmuck with not much money can hardly take advantage of this > part of the black market. > Well, he can buy stuff that others smuggle in - like booze, cigarettes, > and > whatever there are high > profits and good demand for. In fact, the smugglers goods ARE in higher > demand. They cost 20% > less! > > On top of that, I who may be trying to run a legit business, simply can't > compete with the black > marketer. He will always be cheaper that I for the same goods or the same > service. > > OK, you guys might hate your income taxes and your IRS. That is probably > natural - but take another > look at any suggestion to replace it. We all want a fair tax. If you can > make it any more fair, > please do! I am open to all suggestions. But the current proposal for a > "fair tax" and its distant > cousin, the "flat tax" both seems to me not to solve anything at all. > > > /Robban - who commutes sort of between Europe and Florida though not in my > MSM. > > > > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:16:45 -0400 > From: "Larry Alster" <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: NMC - Healthcare Crisis Debate / Gay Marriage > To: "'Dan Scolnick'" <[email protected]>, "'Casey Wheeler'" > <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Message-ID: <05b101ca3f9e$ac667960$05336c...@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hey Dan > > > > Rather than just making stupid comments about it why don't you try the > concept about reading up on it before you mouth off. > > Larry Alster > > > _______________________________________________ > Miatapower mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower > > _______________________________________________ > Miatapower mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower _______________________________________________ Miatapower mailing list [email protected] http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower
