well, the examples I'm starting to unearth - and there are more of them coming out of the library standards field - all are using Dublin Core based namespaces.
If I get it right, then it's really not "title", it's "dc.title" that we're working with. & that is unambiguous and a bunch of tools produce it and understand it. Ed On 1/18/06, Tim White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been (slowly) working on the bibliographic citation format for a > while now. Brian Suda and I had a lengthy discussion a while back, and > Edward V. and I have had some preliminary discussions. > > --- Tantek �elik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In addition, as way of "moving forward", it would be great to see > > some > > analysis of the implied schemas illustrated by the examples in the > > current > > cite-examples page: > > > > http://microformats.org/wiki/cite-examples > > > After I added those examples to the wiki, I did a quick analysis[1] -- > in a nutshell patterns for titles include: > > * id="title" class="producttitle" > * class="title" > * id="lblTitle" class="book_headline block" > * table cell, no mark up > * h1 > * h2 > > > I also posted my thoughts on starting NOT with a full bibliographic > microformat, since that tends to get overly complicated quickly, but > rather to start with a title design pattern. My thoughts were lengthy, > so instead of sending them to the list[2], I linked to them on my > blog[3]. Perhaps that resulted in less discussion. > > At any rate, my concern now is with the title issue. I see that under > hAtom it was determined that class="title" couldn't be reused because > it was already in use by hCard. > > While I understand the idea behind not reusing names, this practice > seems to have 2 problems: 1) long-term complexity, 2) runs counter to > microformats principles. > > Keeping things simple by not reusing names has its merit. However, as > we build more microformats I think we run the risk of needing to invent > non-intuitive class names because the most appropriate one is already > taken. It looks like class="title" for hAtom was solvable by using an > alternate name, but now that is taken away from the next format. > > As for the principles, we are suppose to "pave the cowpaths". The few > examples I've placed in the wiki break out to about 60/40 that use > "title" (or some derivative) to refer to a book title. Furthermore, > look at virtually any card catalog, amazon.com or other book service > and you will find search criteria for "title". Also, look at the work > Edward has done for the Ann Arbor District Library XML feed.[4] > > I would say that this path is pretty well worn. (And yes, I admit this > blinds/biases me a bit to seeing alternatives, but I'm trying to be > open to reasonable suggestions.) > > As for any confusion re-used names may cause parsers/application, I > think that is secondary to easy of use by people. At least when I think > about People First, Machines Second, I think in terms not only of human > readable, but also easy-of-use by people. Computers are here to do the > complicated bits for us and should be able to figure out if they are > reading an hCard or a bibliographic citation. (Easy for me to say since > I don't write apps.) > > I hope all this makes sense -- it's getting late and I feel like I'm > rambling. At any rate, I hope we can have some good, productive > discussions about a bibliographic format and get this thing moving. > > -Tim White > tjameswhite.com/blog > > [1] > http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2005-December/002519.html > > [2] > http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2005-December/002447.html > > [3] > http://www.tjameswhite.com/blog/archives/2005/12/microformat-design-pattern/ > > [4] http://microformats.org/wiki/cite-formats > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > microformats-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss > -- Edward Vielmetti in Ann Arbor, MI 48104 +1 734 276 5910 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vacuumgroup.com
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