I've been watching this thread with some hesitation. I'm from the classical world and am usually frustrated with the attributes most people capture in music meta formats. Consumption of classical music is a bit different from pop music. The attributes of data that are important shift meanings through different genres. In classical, the concept of composer and performer is relatively loosely coupled compared to pop when they are usually the same thing. In addition, composers often stand on the shoulders of giants, and there are multiple versions built on top of eachother... an example would be the Bach-Gounod "Ave Maria". For this, you essentially have attributable text, a melody composer, and then an arranger, all from very different time periods. On top of this, you would have subsequent arrangements (a choir version vs a solo version) in addition to the performer or groups performing in addition to date and location of that specific performance. What I find is that most people into "New Media" miss these subtleties. I've never seen an id3 tagging that does a good job conveying all of this information.
I know microformats aim to take advantage of the 80/20 rule... does this mean classical music will get the cold shoulder with all its edge and special cases? On the other hand separate formats for genres of music doesn't seem like a good solution either. Anyway, a site to check out would be http://www.allmusic.com/ . For years, they've been publishing data /about/ music in every genre. They used to have separate sites, eg, allclassical.com alljazz.com and then combined them under the now familiar allmusic.com. Notice that the emphasis on what information is conveyed is different within each genre. It seems to me that a microformat for music would either have different formats for different genres, leave certain attributes out (which I'm convinced would almost only negatively impact classical), or be incredibly time consuming flushing out all the edge cases (typically avoided). -Ben (classical training in voice, cello, percussion, piano, some conducting) On 6/29/06, Alex Iskold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
While we are on the subject of music. What about books and movies? Are ther any examples of these? Thanks, Alex alex iskold founder & ceo adaptiveblue http://www.adaptiveblue.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Cannon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Is Music dead? (I hope not!) Coincidentally I was kicking this around in my head last night. > I plan on researching and co-opting existing idioms if they exist, and > actually started listing some examples of Artist/Release/Track data in > music-examples before it became clear to me that this may not have > been its intention-- it reads like it may have been set up to do > something more along the lines of what media-info is set up to do. One thing that neither of these pages mention is ID3v2[1], whose implementation in iTunes appears (from a consumer's standpoint) to contain all necessary metadata for music files, and is pretty widespread. A little wikipedia reading let me know that there are some competing formats: APEv2[2] and Vorbis Comments[3]. One problem that creating such a microformat might solve is the idea of an "authoritative" media tag—i.e. a publisher could create (x)html pages that can provide generate the official metadata for digitized music. [1] http://www.id3.org/ [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APEv2_tag [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbis_comment -- Ryan Cannon Interactive Developer MSI Student, School of Information University of Michigan http://RyanCannon.com _______________________________________________ microformats-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss _______________________________________________ microformats-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
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