The wiki has been updated. There are now two pages related to this
discussion: operating-hours
(http://microformats.org/wiki/operating-hours) and
operating-hours-examples
(http://microformats.org/wiki/operating-hours-examples).
operating-hours documents the overall discussion and will eventually
provide the best way to use RRULE in this situation.

Feel free to take a look at the examples page and try working on them.

Nick

On 2/4/07, Nick Drago <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Scott,

Thanks for your help. I apologize for naming the solution; I'm new to
Microformats and will be sure not to do this in the future. Anyways, I
have been following this discussion closely. Thanks for redirecting
the wiki and creating the new page; I will be sure to update the
operating-hours page and adjust it to reflect what has been worked out
on the mailing list,
and I will add a few examples to operating-hours-examples.

When I get more time I will start to take a look at how we can mark up
the examples.

Thanks,
Nick

On 2/4/07, Scott Reynen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I talked to both Tantek and Brian about this in IRC.  Tantek pointed
> out that we shouldn't be naming a solution until after we've
> researched the problem.  In this case, it looks like the solution to
> this problem is hCalendar, so anyone looking for this in the wiki or
> email archive isn't likely to search for something like "xHours."
> For that reason, I've moved the page in the wiki and redirected the
> old page to here:
>
> http://microformats.org/wiki/operating-hours
>
> On Feb 4, 2007, at 2:13 PM, Brian Suda wrote:
>
> > On 2/4/07, Scott Reynen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Looking at Roger's tutorial, maybe this?
> >>
> >> Original:
> >>
> >> <b>Hours:</b> Mon-Sat 10:00am-9:00pm<br>Sun 11:00am-7:00pm
> >>
> >> hCal:
> >>
> >> <b>Hours:</b>
> >> <span class="vevent">
> >>         <abbr class="rrule"
> >> title="freq=weekly;byday=MO,TU,WE,TH,FR,SA;count=52">Mon-Sat</abbr>
> >
> > --- the issue here is that WEEKLY is now hidden metadata. This needs
> > to be pulled out into a human-readable form.
>
> I've collected a few real-world examples here:
>
> http://microformats.org/wiki/operating-hours-examples
>
> I'm sure it would help to collect more, but from what I've seen so
> far, we can't expect publishers to explicitly state that operating
> hours are weekly.  It's widely assumed that operating hours repeat
> weekly.  I think Brian's right that we should avoid stuffing the
> entire RRULE in a single <abbr> as I did above, but I doubt we can
> generally avoid putting "weekly" in an <abbr> title.
>
> >>         <abbr class="dtstart" title="20070101T 100000Z">10:00am</
> >> abbr>-
> >>         <abbr class="dtend" title="20070101T 210000Z">9:00pm</abbr>
> >> </span><br>
> >
> >> But I'm not sure if that will work.  Do times in dtstart and dtend
> >> get repeated, or are only times specified in byhour and byminute
> >> repeated?  If the former, what happens when both are listed and they
> >> conflict?  If the latter, is there any way to specify end time?
> >
> > --- DTEND or DURATION are used to terminate the RRULE, so this
> > reoccuring event will only last one day.
>
> I discussed this with Brian more and found this in the iCal spec:
>
> > The "DTSTART" and "DTEND" property pair or "DTSTART" and "DURATION"
> > property pair, specified within the iCalendar object defines the
> > first instance of the recurrence.
>
> Brian also exported a .ics file from iCal, which seems to confirm the
> following:
>
> Start first instance: DTSTART
> End first instance: DTEND (or DURATION)
> Start repetition: RRULE BYDAY (or BYHOUR, etc.)
> End repetition: RRULE UNTIL (or RRULE COUNT)
>
> So it looks like I wasn't too far off with my first stab at doing
> operating hours with RRULE, but we should still check this against
> some real-world examples.
>
> Peace,
> Scott
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