Hi Ara,

On 08/03/2007 19:43, Ara Pehlivanian wrote:
What I think your contrast of microformats' bottleneck with the web's
free growth is missing is the notion that there indeed /was/ a
"bottleneck" in the development of the web in the form of Tim
Berners-Lee. It's just that it was all up front and not distributed
throughout its growth. When he invented HTML, he did the same kind of
work we're trying to do with microformats, but he did it by himself
and presented it to the community as a fait-accompli.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding but you appear to be saying that creation of each microformat is equivalent to creating HTML, i.e. a set of useful elements people can use for creative expression. Under the microformats process that effort needs to be centralised to prevent name collision, semantic drift and duplication of effort. There's no way to allow parallel development and then work out how to coordinate differences later.

This means there's a limit to the scalability of the mf development process.


I believe that the growth of any data format requires some agreed upon
standard for its consumers to use. Otherwise, how can you ensure
reliable consumption of the information if you don't have any idea
what you're going to get? It's like parsing XML from an unknown source
without a schema.

I think the agreements can occur in parallel between interested and motivated parties. But that's not the impression I get of the microformats process. It isn't a microformat until it's blessed by the mf community.

Here's a great microformat that's been developed outside the mf community:

http://selfdescription.org/

Has anyone here heard of it, evaluated it or have an opinion on it? Its development followed the mf principles with an extensive survey of existing practice and a distillation of that into a set of common and reasonably humanly accessible terms. I provided some mentorship to the author as part of his Masters (of which this formed the thesis)


Ian
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