Brian Suda wrote:

We are naively ASSUMING that people with assistive technologies NEED
our help.

I would suggest that common sense, based on the sample of screen reader output provided in the WaSP article, does indeed lead us to assume, but it's an informed assumption.

I would prefer, before WE think we can hand the right
soltion down from on high, that someone who uses a screen-reader as
their main browser give their feedback.

Then we should build some test cases with the various proposed changes to the abbr pattern (general title-design-pattern on a variety of elements, a span-design-pattern, etc), and have them tested. WaSP ATF can certainly help in this endeavour.

We skirt the issue by moving data to the title attribute of
alternative elements, how do we know screen-readers now

Because James, Bruce and I (as well as probably a few others that hame chimed in on the discussion) have reasonable experience of current screen reader behaviour in the here and now.

or later

I thought microformats was supposed to be a technology that works *today*, not some hypothetical future? As such, yes, it may or may not have to adapt with changes in the technological landscape.

won´t
read out those as well? we are coding around a problem by potentiall
creating other ones and ignoring the semantics of the HTML spec in the
process.

I'd temper that with: the microformats' group *interpretation* of the HTML spec. The semantic meaning has already been slightly stretched to fit the abbr-pattern, in my (and some other members' and non-members') opinion, anyway.

P
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