I think we're all on the same page we're we'd like to see uFs go, more or less. My issue -- re:ing Jeremy Keith, and Kevin's related post a few minutes ago -- is that we're all being terribly clever. But to repurpose a phrase, "there's lots of room at the bottom": I'm interested also in seeing where "Joe" can use this.
Not so much, though, that I'm going to get in fights or lengthy arguments about it: my constitution can't handle the stress any more. That's why a lot of my posts have been of an FYI nature rather than argumentative. I'll be up for verbal fights at Foo though ;-) Regards, etc... On Jan 4, 2008 6:19 PM, Tantek Çelik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/4/08 2:23 PM, "David Janes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 4, 2008 2:45 PM, Tantek Çelik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> The fact that hCard is *the* #1 format for publishing information about a > >> person on the Web would seem to refute that. > >> > >> http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-supporting-user-profiles > > > > "Profiles" is not the problem that Andy & Ryan C. are talking about: > > they're talking about using hCard in casual references to people and > > places on the web. For example, on your blog, you've coded: > > > > | My friend <a href="http://juliettemelton.com/";>Julie</a> and I > > thought this up when discussing > > | end of year rituals, and threw it together quickly and roughly in a > > matter of days (like the first BarCamp). > > | We invited a bunch of people (also coarsely brainstormed, certainly > > not comprehensive), a few of > > | whom were actually available to attend, and shared an incredible two > > days of reflection > > | (what <em>did</em> you do) and projection (what are you <em>going > > to</em> do). > > Ah ok, this is what Jeremy Keith refers to as "natural language hCards", > wherein you simply markup inline references to people accordingly. He's got > some really good examples of this, including mixes of nicknames etc. > > Brief section on this in hcard-authoring: > > http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-authoring#Natural_language_hCard > > which references Jeremy's post on the subject: > > http://adactio.com/journal/1122/ > > I've just added a bit more to that section based on Jeremy's real world > markup of "Malarkey" in his blog post to illustrate further. > > > > They're suggesting that you're much more likely to provide semantic > > information about "Julie" if you were willing to do the simple > > operating of adding (for example) 'class='vcard'" to the A tag. > > That being said, good point, I should markup Julie as such in that blog > post. Updated. > > What really gets people to use more markup in blog posts though, is the > little creator/style buttons that often line up just above the top of a blog > post editing textarea for creating links, lists etc. > > What we need is a "person" button (perhaps with an icon similar to the icon > next to your username when you are logged into the microformats wiki) which > simply inserts the markup for you, or better yet, lets you pick someone from > your address book, and then inserts an inline hCard with their name, URL > (and perhaps even XFN relationship to them) for you. That little bit of > extra markup pales in comparison to the typical prose of a blog post. > > Perhaps we could ask various blogging tool makers to add such a feature. > Similarly for events. > > I've noted this in the plugins / web-apps sections of hCard advocacy: > > http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-advocacy#WYSIWYG_buttons > > > > Regards, etc... > > > Thanks again as always David, you've raised and clarified good points. > > Tantek > > > > On 1/4/08 2:50 PM, "Kevin Marks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > In semantic HTML, the right way to do this would be to use <cite> > > around the name: > > <cite>Julie</cite> > > so doing > > <cite class="hcard" ><a href="http://juliettemelton.com/"; class="url > > uid fn" rel="friend">Julie</a></cite> > > > > which has an implied nickname, and adds the XFN for "my friend" > > I'm not really quoting or citing Julie for saying something, so I'm not sure > that <cite> is appropriate in this case. However, the markup I ended up > using is close to what you suggested. Here it is with white-space added for > readability: > > <span class="vcard"> > <abbr class="fn" title="Juliette Melton"> > <a class="url nickname" rel="friend" href="http://juliettemelton.com/";> > Julie</a> > </abbr> > </span> > > I've added this example to the hcard-authoring natural language hCard > section as well. > > > _______________________________________________ > microformats-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss > -- David Janes Founder, BlogMatrix http://www.blogmatrix.com http://blogmatrix.blogmatrix.com _______________________________________________ microformats-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
