Thanks for the response
Instead, I'm re-organizing them as issues,
I don't understand. Are you asserting that my requirements are
"issues" in the standard software engineering sense (http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issue_%28computers%29 and http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Requirement, or are you simply using different
terminology?
In order to
support the assertions, eg the importance of preserving the typeface
of the original citation, you'll need to provide examples from the
web.
(FWIW, html does not make any promises to preserve the presentation
of a resource by design, so I doubt this will really be a
requirement here.)
As should have been clear from my comments, I'm not talking about
"preserving presentation" or "typefaces" in HTML. I don't primarily
care about what the citations look like on the web; it would be nice
if they looked right, but that's secondary. I care about what
citations look like in published papers, and citations in published
papers can contain mathematics, chemical formulas, and other
typographic phenomena. Citations in published papers also have a
complex ontology: what fields need to be present in what kinds of
publications, how they are represented, etc.
Consider the citation records for my publications. Right now, users
see a citation on the web, then they need to click on a separate link
to get the BibTeX or Endnote citation, and then incorporate that into
their bibliography manager. What a citation microformat should
achieve is that people can simply use the information embedded in the
HTML to accomplish the same thing. That's what other microformats
like hCard achieve.
What does that mean for a citation microformat? It means that I put
my BibTeX or Endnote citations into some web citation system, which
converts it into a microformat. A user then uses Operator or selects
the HTML and puts it into their citation manager. That user should
obtain an exact representation of my BibTeX or Endnote citation,
without manual editing and without losing formatting relative to the
original BibTeX or Endnote entry.
I think at this point you have to support your assertion that the
"strawman" citation microformat on the Wiki satisfies my
requirements; alternatively, you can argue that my requirement is
either unfulfillable or not important, or that you just don't want to
debate the issue and I should go away (in which case, we'll simply
continue independently or push for DC adoption).
and I'll let those more familiar
with this work comment further. In addition, I'm going to scan
through the
citation documents and move anything that can easily be rephrased
as an issue
to the issues page. Hopefully have them concentrated in one place
will help, and people won't mind me moving things around too much.
Well, I have pretty much said what I have to say. I urge you to
consider my arguments carefully. I'll be happy to answer specific
questions or to respond to specific arguments.
Thomas.
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