Ryan King wrote:
I never said there were any jerks. What I was trying to say is that
the process used for uF's is inherently closed - eg, using IRC where
unless you're on there all day every day you have no idea what's been
discussed, using mediawiki which inherently hides content if it's not
linked from a page you can find of if you don't know what to search
for (having to use the random page feature is just insane), having to
show real-world examples before things will even be considered, etc.
If you have suggestions for improving our communication technology,
I'd be glad to hear it.
Heh, don't even get me started on the process :p As for media wiki, I
must simply be missing some key bit of navigation - is there actually an
index to all pages or a site map somewhere that lists *all* pages? The
only way I could find things that weren't directly linked from some
other page I could find was to use the (almost unbelievable) "Random
Page" link?! :) I've since learnt that the IRC discussions are logged
but I've not yet found a way to search them.
I feel your pain... but, there is a great deal of good to be found in
this community.
Yes, uF community is making some nice stuff. I am worried that the
process may lead to divergence though - eg. it would seem logical to
me to have a uF that describes blog posts, comments, pages, etc., all
in the same format because they all share mostly the same data. This
would then allow mapping tools, navigation aides, etc., to be far
more consistent and easier to develop and maintain. But the process
effectively forces people to start new uFs for new things because
they find it so hard to get existing uF's to adapt.
If you have specific feedback about specific formats that are 'hard to
adapt', we should document it, unless that happens, though, it's hard
to do anything about your statements.
Again, the process hinders this. One can stare the obvious convergent
solution in the face for a great deal of time, but will have to wait
until real world examples of that solution are available before they can
properly get through the process rather than just being a side-note lost
in time. By the time convergent solutions do emerge (primarily due to
people realising they don't have enough hours in the day for more and
more divergent approaches to similar problems) you would have a wide
array of incumbent divergent microformats to deal with and, well, it's
just not worth the hassle IMHO.
Having an incubator somewhere where new ideas could be discussed outside
the process would be very useful IMHO. Hmmm... I might just set one up
to see what happens... Anyone interested? It would be a great way to
more openly discuss ideas without "the process" getting in the way all
the time.
Guy
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