On May 30, 2007, at 7:31 PM, Joe Andrieu wrote:
I think the non-voting by most of us on this list is voting that
this issue isn't worth solving/dealing with at this time.
I agree.
On May 30, 2007, at 8:07 PM, Manu Sporny wrote:
I really agree with this -- I don't particularly think grouping is a
huge problem here, and I don't think tackling this "up front"
without a
whole ton of prior art is a good idea.
How much prior art do we need to prove that there is a problem
here? We
already have 68 examples. I'd like to know how much a "whole ton"
amounts to...
Prior art and examples are two different things. Examples tell us
what kinds of *content* has been published. Prior art tells us what
kinds of *semantics* have been used in that publishing. Others have
pointed out some successful prior art using task-specific grouping
semantics, e.g hfeed, hcalendar, and unless I've missed something we
have no prior art on the other side, suggesting that generic grouping
semantics actually work in practice. Even XOXO is not especially
popular, and that's a bit more specific than what's proposed as hSet.
We're not doing "if you build it, they will come" standards here;
we're focusing on "low-hanging fruit," with a high likelihood of
adoption due to widespread publishing (e.g. contact data), well-
established semantics (e.g. vCard), and compelling use-cases (e.g.
create vCards from web pages). Widespread publishing, while
important, is not alone enough to suggest likely adoption. Without
adoption, the best standard in the world is a waste of time.
That said, here's a proposal for solving the hSet problem: use RDFa
[1]. That gives you all the prior art and compelling use cases of
the RDF world, and no need for new semantics, nor even new parsing
tools. The drawbacks are pretty much the same drawbacks people have
been pointing out with the hSet proposals.
[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-rdfa-primer/
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Scott Reynen
MakeDataMakeSense.com
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