So we leave album-title and audio-title as it is? Or are we going to talk about it?
Thanks Martin On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 21:22 +0100, Martin McEvoy wrote: > Hello Manu > > On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 00:03 -0400, Manu Sporny wrote: > > One of the last remaining (and most pedantic) issues for hAudio is the > > naming of the audio-title and album-title properties. This includes the > > following issues (we could close them all if we can finally decide on > > these two names): > > > > hAudio ISSUE #2: audio-title Property > > http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-issues#audio-title_Property > > > > hAudio ISSUE #9: album-title Property > > http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-issues#album-title_Property > > > > hAudio ISSUE #10: Collection Names > > http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-issues#Collection_Names > > > > The primary issue that I have with audio-title and album-title is that > > they are not orthogonal in the programming language sense: > > > > http://www.lrdev.com/lr/frequently-asked-questions.html#programming-language-orthogonality > > > > audio-title is the title of a singular/atomic audio expression. It is a > > rather general term used to identify a singular work. > > > > album-title is the title of an audio album. It is a specific term used > > to identify a collection of singular works that are in an album/track > > format. > > > > To add to the complexity of the semantics behind these two terms, they > > not only denote the title, but the type of the hAudio as well. > > > > The question is: Can we make these terms more orthogonal to publishers. > > Can we choose terms that denote both title and type. The first attempt > > was to name them something like the following: > > > > recording-title and album-title > > > > The use of -title seemed a bit redundant, so it was dropped to form: > > > > recording and album > > > > Speaking and reading the words in context makes sense: > > > > hAudio recording > > hAudio album > > > > whereas speaking and reading what we have currently doesn't really make > > sense: > > > > hAudio audio-title (specifies the recording title AND the hAudio type) > > hAudio album-title (specifies the album title AND the hAudio type) > > > > There is also only one example to back-up using the "*-title" pattern in > > Microformats, that being ENTRY-TITLE in hAtom. There are, however, loads > > of examples of taking the other approach, which is using nouns to denote > > "title (type)": > > > > author (Person), item (Thing), label (Identifier), locality (Place), > > logo (Image), note (Text), photo (Image), summary (Text), region > > (Place), reviewer (Person), sound (Sound), and title (Text) are a > > handful of examples of nouns being used to denote title and type. > > > > The best that we've been able to do has been RECORDING and ALBUM. Any > > suggestions on addressing these issues? > > In Principle I agree with you certainly *album-title* and *audio-title* > don't seem to sit right and are causing some problems as regards naming > and definition, we do have to resolve these issues. Also *track* to me > is causing similar concerns. > > +1 for changing album-title to just album because on its own it is both > type and title > > My concern is "recording" although the name suggests type and title, I > dont think it is specific enough Its still a very loose term to describe > what actually may be a recording or just the title itself. > > I know I have brought up that we re use ITEM from hReview before on the > list but I guess I didnt explain my reasoning correctly, and I never > really understood why It is that we cant use ITEM, because from what i > can glean from the wiki and how people use it in other formats such as > rss It seems to do exactly what we need. > So please consider again. > > so another attempt at simplifying hAudio using my previous example > > <div class="haudio"> > <span class="album">Best Before 1984</span> > By <span class="contributor">Crass</span> > [...] > <div class="item"> > <span class="track">Nagasaki Nightmare</span> > <abbr class="duration" title="P268T">4:46</abbr> > </div> > > <div class="item"> > <span class="track">Big A, Little A </span> > <abbr class="duration" title="P368T"> 6:13</abbr> > </div> > [...] > </div> > > If we were to do this in hReview the markup would be.. > > [...] > <div class="item"> > <span class="fn">Nagasaki Nightmare</span> > <abbr class="duration" title="P268T">4:46</abbr> > </div> > [...] > > The above markup does seem to make hAudio compact and clean no confusion > about what our hAudio properties mean? > > Comments? > > Thanks > > Martin > > > > > -- manu > > > > PS: Keep in mind that RECORDING can be re-used in hVideo. > > _______________________________________________ > > microformats-new mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-new _______________________________________________ microformats-new mailing list [email protected] http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-new
