Would somebody rather send Brian a questionaire to fill up, then we can make good suggestions. If none have done it directly to his email already.
Was it to be a resort area? for recreation? With lot of water to spare, a waterwheel and a small dynamo can be nice showcase for guests and visitors, too. Cesar. --- In [email protected], "Eric Youngren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nando, > > I knew that you or somebody would disagree with my suggestions. Just > because the water is there does not mean we should take as much as we can. > My perspective comes from installing off-grid PV systems, where efficiency > is paramount and system design starts with the loads. > > Re-read Brian's original query. He emphasizes "small requirement for > electricity" and also "as turnkey as possible". With those desires in > mind, the DC battery charging system I described would meet his needs quite > well with off the shelf components and relatively simple wiring and > installation that could be easily approved by an electrical inspector. > Also, using a modest flow from the river would only require a small > diameter penstock, say 2". This could be done with polyethylene pipe in > 300' rolls and brass couplers. This cheap and easily installed pipeline > would also allow greater flexibility in where to site the generator, perhaps > moving it closer to the cabin for ease of service, less wiring distance and > the additional uses of pressurized water for domestic, irrigation or fire > suppression needs. > > A 5 - 10kW AC synchronous generator would need at least a 4" penstock, > possibly larger, which could quickly become the most labor intensive and > expensive part of the installation. Also the frequency and voltage > regulation package would probably need to be custom designed and built for > this installation, it is definitely not a "turn-key" solution. An > electrical inspector would also be unlikely to approve a system built > without UL listed components and with the higher voltages and currents > involved. Not to mention what a Fish and Wildlife or Department of Ecology > type of enforcement officer would say to an instream diversion taking, say > 200-400 gpm from the stream for a larger system. > > If this were to be a full-time residence with winter occupancy, where > electric heating would be valuable, then a larger AC direct system might be > a good choice. However my sense from Brian's question is that a small DC > based system might meet his needs more easily and efficiently. Who knows, > it is hard to speculate so much with limited information. > > Eric > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "HYDRO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 12:00 PM > Subject: Re: [microhydro] [Fwd: lots of water...no electricity] > > > > Eric: > > > > To suggest 1 KW hydro charging batteries with DC/AC converters, for this > > set up, where the water can provide many kilowatts, I think, it is a > > dis-service. > > > > The setup can be made without batteries and many KILOWATTS. > > > > We do not know the head, but Brian is indicating that the river has great > > capabilities, therefore for a natural direct generation of AC Voltages > > with > > capacity, if needed, for electrical heating and cooking, in addition of > > being able to start and run motors for his wood working tools. > > > > Including capacity to run air conditioning if needed. > > > > A Turgo turbine driving a generator directly . > > > > Nando > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Eric Youngren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 11:19 AM > > Subject: Re: [microhydro] [Fwd: lots of water...no electricity] > > > > > >> Hi Brian, > >> > >> > >> I would suggest that you browse the RE Directory at www.homepower.com to > >> find a renewable energy professional in your area who could help you > >> design > >> and install a good system to meet your needs. > >> > >> If you're into to doing it yourself. I'd suggest getting a copy of > >> "Microhydro" by Scott Davis. Find it here: > >> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/- /0865714843/qid=1121529348/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-4284025-3495910? v=glance&s=books&n=507846 > >> > >> > >> With the amount of water and head that you describe you could generate a > >> great deal of power, but with the loads you describe you don't really > >> need > >> that much. A DC battery charging system generating 500 - 1000W > >> continuously > >> would be good. Check these out: > >> > >> www.harrishydro.com > >> www.hipowerhydro.com > >> > >> > >> With that kind of system you'd use the hydro to keep a battery bank > >> charged, > >> with a diversion load to dump excess power as heat. You'll need a power > >> system with an inverter to create AC power for your loads. Here I > >> recommend > >> Outback Power: > >> > >> http://www.outbackpower.com/PS2.htm > >> > >> > >> The intake will be one of the most important parts of the system to > >> design > >> correctly and build in a way that is low maintanence and low impact on > >> the > >> river. This product is the best for intake screens: > >> > >> www.hydroscreen.com > >> > >> > >> It sounds like you have a beautiful spot there. Good luck with your > >> project! > >> > >> Eric > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Wim Klunne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 8:00 AM > >> Subject: [microhydro] [Fwd: lots of water...no electricity] > >> > >> > >>> > >>> Dear group, > >>> > >>> Please find below some correspondence from Brian Campbell regarding a > >>> piece of remote land be bought that seems to have hydro potential. > >>> > >>> Any member of the group that is able to assist Brian, please contact > >>> him directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED], cc to the group when > >>> relevant.. > >>> > >>> Brian, > >>> I have forwarded your message to the microhydrogroup, an email > >>> discussion forum with 1500+ members with a professional and/or > >>> personal interest in microhydro. I hope you will get some useful > >>> reactions from some of the members. For more information on the > >>> forum, please see http://microhydropower.net/mhp_group > >>> > >>> Kind regards, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Wim Klunne > >>> group moderator > >>> > >>> -------- Original Message -------- > >>> Subject: lots of water...no electricity > >>> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:11:37 -0700 > >>> From: "Campbell (PROGRAMMING), Brian E." > >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> > >>> Hi folks: > >>> > >>> My name is Brian Campbell.....I just recently purchased 280 acres > >>> of > >>> remote mountain country....I've got a rushing mountain river that > >>> never > >>> stops...it's 3 feet deep and 17 feet wide....I own a half mile stretch > >>> of this mountain river with a tremendous amount of fall in elevation > >>> from where the river comes onto my property and where the river > >>> leaves....so to say I have endless amounts of water is true.....I am > >>> in > >>> the process of building a cabin back in there and don't want the > >>> continous hum of a generator.....I only want to power my > >>> cabin....maybe > >>> a couple small kitchen gadgets inside and of course power tools (saws, > >>> drills, sanders, typical woodworking tools) outside.....there will be > >>> no > >>> use for A.C. > >>> > >>> With endless amounts of water and a very small requirement for the > >>> amount of needed electricity, I believe I have an ideal situation for > >>> turning to Hydro electricity. > >>> > >>> So, with all of that in mind, who can I talk to about finding just > >>> about the smallest micro hydro plant they make and possibly purchasing > >>> something as close to turnkey as possible. > >>> > >>> Help > >>> > >>> Brian > >>> > >>> (916) 201-8573 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Does your company feature in the microhydro business directory at > >>> http://microhydropower.net/directory ? 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