On Tue, 9 May 2000, Daryle Dianis wrote:

> OK,
> telnet localhost 80 gives me this:
> trying ::1...
> telnet: connect to address ::1:  connection refused
> trying 127.0.0.1...
> connected to localhost
> escape character is '^]".

Unless there's sensitive informations displayed,verbatim reproduction is
preferable.

> And I get:
> 
> http/1.1 authorization required
> date.......whatever
> server: apache 1.3.12.........
> www-authentication: basic-realm="midgard"

Especially the Server lines is what I want to see verbatim. Mine reads:
Server: Apache/1.3.12 (Unix)  (Red Hat/Linux)
Midgard/Lib=1.4-beta3/SiteGroups=0.3
PHP/3.0.16+Midgard/Lib=1.4-beta3/SiteGroups=0.3

> My own experience, it's easier to tell people how to do it right than it
> is to try to tell them what they did wrong.  I would be glad to help
> with the install documentation, because what I've read is weak.  There
> are several versions of how to install all the packages and for someone
> like me, that is new to these particular things, there's too much to
> leave to 'figuring it out' or the mailing list for help.  I'd like to
> see a cookbook install.  There is a little bit of that in 1 of the
> INSTALL:  cd here, type this, do that.  Most install doc I read is way
> to wordy.  Like in the movie Amadeus, the King tells Amadeus 'there are
> too many notes'.  I had a pile of papers on my desk, hard copies of
> this, handwritten notes from list or the web.   I'll bet that the entire
> install process for all the products related to Midgard could fit on 2
> pages, 8 1/2  by 11.

That depends on your entry point. Midgard depends on MySQL and APache.
Installing those is outside the scope of installing Midgard but how
they've been installed, and what PHP features you want to have impacts the
installation of Midgard. But the install could, should probably be
clearer. If you happened to keep notes on idiocyncrasies or oddities you
met during the process these would be most welcome.

> I've installed other complex software, that comes documented in whole
> books.  I end up crossing out major portions, highlighting a few
> relevant lines here and there, to come up with what I need to do.  Many
> times, I don't have time to think about the install or upgrade, because
> I may have a window of time to work in.  I'll end up with a a page or 2
> of precise commands that work, every time.  That's what I'd like to see
> the Midgard install look like, hey all the open source stuff could use
> some rewriting.  

Frankly, if you want hassle-free upgrades & installs, you want packaged
programs if you ask me. The RedHat Monster Package is rather bland,
feature-wise, but a lot easier to install then the source compile.

Emile


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