Agree on EXPERIMENTAL, without a TC there's really no way around it. So a special certificate can be R&D, show compliance or market survey. Homebuilt would be a BIG stretch. They would all need a placard.
I have a friend in Flight Standards BWI, I sent the article to him & asked how they might have allowed those individuals to fly as passengers. If I were an inspector about to sign a special, my first thought would be "What if that airplane goes in with high profile pax?" That would be Knute Rockne, Will Rogers & Amelia Earhart all rolled into one. Especially with the combination to recent FAA troubles and a very unique airplane type.I would not be surprised if the FAA uppers are asking questions right now. On Fri, Jun 6, 2025 at 2:47 PM RWM--- via Mifnet <mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> wrote: > The aircraft is placarded EXPERIMENTAL. Good questions about the willing > beta testers. > > - Bob Mann > > > On Jun 6, 2025, at 14:39, Mike Borfitz via Mifnet <mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> > wrote: > >  > Note it was a demonstration flight, followed by claiming a type > certificate next year, then they'll go vertical. These folks have kept > a pretty low profile so I can't say anything about the schedule but I DO > know plenty of start-ups who have been a wee bit too optimistic. And going > electric definitely adds to the complexity. > > Since it was a pre-TC flight, the airworthiness certificate had to be > experimental, maybe "market survey". I note there were a couple high level > non-Beta folks on board, I'm REALLY curious about how they talked the FAA > into letting that happen. Maybe called them "crew". OR maybe they called it > HOMEBUILT & worked the system, homebuilt with an airworthiness ticket > makes it all legit.. I'd love some insight if anybody has a connection. > > Doing a conventional design then going vertical is a smart way to go but > only if they keep the design differences minimal. > > Borfitz > > > On Fri, Jun 6, 2025 at 12:59 PM Tom Ronell via Mifnet < > mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> wrote: > >> >> *First passengers board new electric aircraft* >> >> Beta Technologies demonstrates Alia in New York >> >> >> https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2025/june/05/first-passengers-board-new-electric-aircraft >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Revised: 20250507 >> >> You are receiving The Mifnet because you requested to join this list. >> >> The Mifnet is largely a labor of love, however the infrastructure isn't >> exactly cost-free. 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