I’ve not found any source beyond AvHerald for the “no bird remains” comment:
On Jun 13th 2025 the DGCA reported, that initial preliminary findings rule out a bird strike as no bird carcasses have been found. I wish AvHerald would include more detailed references but it’s pretty much a one-man-show, including both content and tech. I give him a bit of slack for that given that the content is usually greatly superior to Steeeve, et al. Reading public comments on just about anything is as illuminating as experiencing a cranial-rectal impaction and the comments on https://avherald.com/h?article=528f27ec <https://avherald.com/h?article=528f27ec> are no exception. There’s one cluster of comments about "TCMA (Thrust Control Malfunction Accommodation System)” which sound similar to the non-seattrack hoax which Simon mentioned. There was another comment, which seems to have been deleted, which claimed that human feces was found within both fuel feeds for the #1 engine. That was posted within 48 hours of the crash, as memory serves, which in itself makes the comment ludicrous, though it echoes the quality of the comments. A minor rant, or at least a gripe: that this accident happened to AI bugs me since half the time I see something like “AI nonsense” and think it’s about artificial intelligence, then have to shift my mind to handle a different sort of stupid. Grumble. Simon, you’re going to hell? Cool! My bestie and I long ago figured that we’re immortal: they won’t want us up above and we’d be too much competition down below. If we’re wrong, both about our immortality and the existence of a bifurcated great beyond, I hope I’ll get a room on your floor, and that we will be far away from the influencers, frauds, etc. -- Karl > On Jun 18, 2025, at 10:37 PM, srbrown via Mifnet <mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> > wrote: > > Jack, That wasn't the hoax I was referring to. I only learned about the > sliding seat creation here on Mifnet. The one I was thinking of was a failure > in some electronic control boxes owing to water ingress at the GPU plug which > caused a short of some kind and then a failure in one of the essential > electrical boxes. > > It was also quite detailed, named the parts and numbers and certainly fitted > in with the power loss etc. My suspicious were aroused by the report > referring to the "ECAM" (that's an Airbus term) and the destination was > tagged as LHR, not LGW. When I looked deeper into it I found that the > electronic boxes didn't have those exact names although I was still curious > enough to consider running it past Mike Borfitz here until realising it had > to be fake. > > It was another "clever" one though. If Karl gets his way Hell is going to > quite busy processing these people. I hope they don't get a room near my > floor. > > Simon > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Jack Keady via Mifnet <mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> > Date: 19/06/2025 02:19 (GMT+02:00) > To: mifnet@lists.mifnet.com > Cc: Jack Keady <jjke...@gmail.com> > Subject: [Mifnet 🛰 72792] Re: AI engine out theory > > i assume the hoax report referred to is the "pilot seat rearward slide" > one.With all the embellishments it looks quite realistic > > On Wed, Jun 18, 2025 at 2:13 PM srbrown via Mifnet <mifnet@lists.mifnet.com > <mailto:mifnet@lists.mifnet.com>> wrote: > A few personal comments from that report. > > "The likelihood of a pilot error is considered minimal as is the simultaneous > failure of both engines." > > How can they say that? A dual engine failure has to be a possibility, > especially with the RAT deployed. Also they have no clear idea what the crew > were up to until a full analysis of the FDM data is completed. (Not the > black box data but the full monty from the FDM kit, if it was functioning, ie > still powered). > > Unlike some, Im not implying the crew did make errors, nor that both engines > failed. I'm just wondering what powers of reasoning or critical thinking the > Indian authorities are using to make these confident assertions so soon. > > The AvHerald commentary also states the Captain had 8,200 hours and was > "about to retire" at age 60. That's not a lot for a 60 year old. Again, I'm > not saying it's significant - 8,000 hours is plenty - but I'm genuinely > curious because it either tells an interesting career tale or perhaps might > also be proven incorrect later on. We'll see. > > As a yardstick, even I notched up 13,500 hours after joining the industry > relatively late, then doing 12 years of military flying (fewer hours) and > later seven years as a management pilot (also fewer hours), retiring at 65. > Michael Baiada has about 20-30,000 at least and I'm pretty sure Eric will > have notched up more than me, even after his own military time and apparently > spending half of every subsequent working year faffing around on a jet boat > in NZ. (#niceworkifyoucanfindit). > > Postscript: I threatened Mike Borfitz with more questions in an earlier post > of mine. Disregard. It refers to that hoax report mentioned in the AvHerald > piece. I saw that "report" a few days ago and, whilst it looked convincing, I > dug into it and found enough discrepancies and flaws to disregard it. It was > creative though, which is sad. Why can't people who compile this rubbish put > their creativity to something useful like motor neuron disease research or > developing small modular reactors, rather than making bereaved relatives even > more miserable and keyboard theorists and TikTok bullshi...I mean bloggers, > even more priapic when these sad events occur? > > Simon > > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Karl L. Swartz via Mifnet" <mifnet@lists.mifnet.com > <mailto:mifnet@lists.mifnet.com>> > Date: 18/06/2025 02:37 (GMT+02:00) > To: mifnet@lists.mifnet.com <mailto:mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> > Cc: "Karl L. Swartz" <k...@kls2.com <mailto:k...@kls2.com>> > Subject: [Mifnet 🛰 72781] Re: AI engine out theory > > “They” is India’s DGCA via AvHerald, admittedly hearsay but via a usually > reliable intermediary: > > https://avherald.com/h?article=528f27ec > <https://avherald.com/h?article=528f27ec> > > I’m traveling until tomorrow so haven’t dug as thoroughly as I’d like. > > With regard to fan-blade failure, if there were signs of that I’d think it > would have been reported and not just lack of bird carcasses though perhaps > I’m reading too much into it. Hopefully we’ll know more from the DFDR soon. > > -- Karl > > >> On Jun 17, 2025, at 3:06 PM, Robert Ditchey via Mifnet >> <mifnet@lists.mifnet.com <mailto:mifnet@lists.mifnet.com>> wrote: >> >> Is this reliable, and who is “they?” If birds only got as far as the fan >> blades, might the engines have failed, at least partially? Might bird >> remains not have been gotten past the fans yet still caused loss of power? >> Possibly with fan blade failure? >> >> I acknowledge that all of this about AI is far too early. >> >> As for Sullie and Jeju, there is no question about bird ingestion. In both >> of those accidents, the engines failed due to bird ingestion. >> >> Bob Ditchey >> >> From: Karl L. Swartz via Mifnet <mifnet@lists.mifnet.com >> <mailto:mifnet@lists.mifnet.com>> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2025 1:57 PM >> To: Mifnet <mifnet@lists.mifnet.com <mailto:mifnet@lists.mifnet.com>> >> Cc: Karl L. Swartz <k...@kls2.com <mailto:k...@kls2.com>> >> Subject: [Mifnet 🛰 72768] Re: AI engine out theory >> >> They’ve already reported that there were no bird remains in the engines, >> which implies the engines were (relatively) intact. >> >> -- Karl >> >> >>> On Jun 17, 2025, at 12:34 PM, Robert Ditchey via Mifnet >>> <mifnet@lists.mifnet.com <mailto:mifnet@lists.mifnet.com>> wrote: >>> >>> I imagine that the engines were completely burned/melted in the resulting >>> fire. So it may be impossible to determine (except for the FDR). >>> >>> Bob Ditchey >>> >>> From: Jack Keady via Mifnet <mifnet@lists.mifnet.com >>> <mailto:mifnet@lists.mifnet.com>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2025 12:01 PM >>> To: David Wardell via Mifnet <mifnet@lists.mifnet.com >>> <mailto:mifnet@lists.mifnet.com>> >>> Cc: Jack Keady <jjke...@aol.com <mailto:jjke...@aol.com>> >>> Subject: [Mifnet 🛰 72759] AI engine out theory >>> >>> keady - haven't heard anything about whether the engine blades were turning >>> or not? You?
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