All,

Here's an unusual post. This email came to me by my LinkedIn account. I might 
have missed it amongst other LinkedIn traffic.

It's self-explanatory and worth reading.

The author asks that I share it as a response to a recent Mifnet thread. I hope 
that everyone knows that anyone disagreeing with a post is welcome to offer a 
response. Mifnet is shared more widely than we may assume.

DW

Hi David,

I was sent a note highlighting a message posted to Mifnet attacking some work I 
recently published. Eventually, you'll anger someone in this business, but 
that's life.

While I am not a member of Mifnet, I wanted to reach out to you to offer a 
proper response to ensure the discussion is not one-sided. The response is 
below. The post in question was referencing Delta and Fetcher's AI model.

I don't know who posted the critique, and I respect the discretion of Mifnet. 
Frankly, I don't want to know. I only ask as a professional courtesy that you 
post my response to defend my integrity, which was called into question.

Many thanks for your help and work toward ensuring transparent discussion and 
banter. Especially these days.

Best regards,
Courtney

RESPONSE=======================

What a strange and oddly angry critique. I'm disappointed I haven't received 
any of the angry emails to discuss before reading it on a forum, but such is 
the state of banter and discourse today.

It was expected, though: I even wrote about it in the section that appears to 
have been skipped: "That said, this paper isn’t written specifically for you. 
As you feel the urge to “well, actually,” consider that explaining the concepts 
of recurring neural networks and transformers to a population that interacts 
with all AI solely through a browser chat window requires some reduction."

Doesn't take machine learning to predict that one. :)

Since we're in aviation and we do everything in acronyms, I think the most 
elegant response is RTFA. The responses to the critique were already offered in 
the original paper.

1. Delta’s 2024 passenger revenue was $52 billion. Miller absurdly claims that 
the Delta/Fletcherr “AI pricing” approach could increase revenue by 10% (“and 
could be higher than 10%”)...

From the paper: "The AI company claims revenue improvements of 10% due to 
pricing optimization from the model. We do not know if Delta is seeing the 
claimed 10% in their test cases, but we do know the airline is very, very 
satisfied with the results."

2. Miller describes the Delta/Fletcherr “AI pricing” approach as “a revolution 
in ticket pricing” but never defines (much less explains) any algorithmic 
breakthrough versus traditional airline revenue management...

From the paper: "This isn’t revolutionary, in and of itself. As we will see, 
these types of models have been used in airline revenue management departments 
for decades. What is new is the integration of these models directly into the 
pricing system."

3. ... He completely ignores the problem that “AI” tools don’t make decisions 
and can’t support decisions that aren’t following patterns thoroughly 
documented in the training data.

From the paper: "While this is a grossly oversimplified explanation of what 
Fetcherr’s model is capable of achieving, it’s essential to note that it does 
not surpass the theoretical capabilities of the old-school paper-and-pencil 
regression model."

4. After initially pounding the pricing revolution drum, Miller begins to 
backtrack.

Just as a point of clarity on this one: You can't backtrack within the same 
document. That's not backtracking, that's called adding context and nuance. 
Anyone who knows me knows how religiously I take context and nuance in 
analysis. I accept the compliment, despite it being delivered through a logical 
fallacy.

The remainder of the critique point is simply asking for confidential 
information from airlines that I certainly won't reveal. The only thing I will 
say on the matter is that many airlines have expressed frustration at not 
having data available and normalized, including all airlines mentioned in this 
report. That's not made up, as the poster suggests. It's a very real challenge 
expressed by the most sophisticated airlines, and it's current.

5. ...Miller makes insincere efforts to discredit critics of extreme 
personalized pricing, claiming without citations that they said Delta was 
planning to collect information about personal checking accounts.

Certainly not insincere: 
https://www.wrdw.com/2025/07/23/delta-expand-its-ai-ticket-pricing-alarm-some/.

I think this point is critically and dangerously overlooked by the internet 
poster. Although the comments from the public are without any basis, they were 
still made. This is critical in appreciating the context from which the 
intended reader is likely approaching this paper, and how different it is from 
that of the poster. These were precisely the questions I was receiving from 
CEOs of aviation and investment companies, leading to the writing of the paper. 
It is a silly notion, AND people believe it. I'm not certain of the origins of 
the poster, but it may be a simple matter of not appreciating the proliferation 
of misinformation in the United States. You can't just wish it away, and 
addressing it certainly isn't being "insincere."

I'm also not certain where the poster read that there was any suggestion that 
Delta was ever planning to use any personal data. In fact, it was made 
explicitly clear that Delta was never planning to do any of this. This was a 
key tenet of the paper.

From the paper: "This is not how AI models work and is certainly not how Delta 
and Fetcherr’s model works"

I don't know, like I said, it was a very strange note to read on a Friday 
morning (x-apple-data-detectors://3). I'm not normally in the business of 
responding to disengenuous forum posts, but I'm also not in the business of 
allowing such disengenuous credibility attacks to go unanswered.

I'd classify this as "missing the forest for the trees." I explicitly set the 
context for who this paper was written for and that it shouldn't be used by 
revenue management professionals to say "well, actually" to further their own 
careers. And yet...

But, I will express my disappointment in the disingenuous nature in which the 
paper was clearly read. It appears to have been taken personally, somehow. 
Perhaps someone forwarded the paper to the poster with a nasty note? Was it 
sent to them, suggesting it was an academic paper written for researchers and 
not non-technical aviation leaders? There must be some angry conversation or 
context beyond this paper from which the poster is responding. It happens. I 
get it.

There are a few things I would have done to improve this paper, but funnily 
enough, the poster didn't mention any of them. I reserve those for the many 
discussions I have with the intended audience.
Chances are, this poster knows more than I do about revenue management and 
pricing. Cool. I'm not positioning myself as an expert. I don't compete with RM 
professionals. There is no advertisement, because I don't advise airlines on 
pricing strategies for money. It's literally a free paper put out into the 
public discourse. The paper is written from the perspective of an inquisitive 
teacher and provider of context to those asking questions and the aviation 
public as a whole. Those who do know me know integrity and the desire for "oh 
wow, I never thought of that" drives my work - never "well, actually." The 
forum post, unfortunately, entirely disregarded this context.

I do include my email on every analysis or presentation published. I received 
nothing. I get things wrong, and banter and discussion are welcomed - even 
solicited. I make it a point to present my findings in a non-combative manner, 
with the intention of finding answers rather than suggesting mine are the only 
ones that should be considered. I don't expect all responses to match the same 
tone, but I do expect the responses to include me, particularly if there are 
any explicit attacks on my credibility. Integrity is NOT something I take 
lightly.

And yet, through all of the responses to points made from well outside the 
context of the paper, the critique betrayed a key oversight that I had expected 
and hoped to catch early:

"If you’re in data science or airline revenue management, none of this will be 
new to you. However, you’ll find important context in this paper for how the 
rest of the industry thinks. This is a bridge between the neural networks in 
which you’ve been living the past few decades and the neurons of the millions 
of human beings who work or travel in the commercial airline industry.

AI means the same thing to most people: ChatGPT. We believe understanding this 
misunderstanding is incredibly valuable for present and future data scientists.

That said, this paper isn’t written specifically for you. As you feel the urge 
to “well, actually,” consider that explaining the concepts of recurring neural 
networks and transformers to a population that interacts with all AI solely 
through a browser chat window requires some reduction.

Then consider that these same people are the ones with all the money."

It is very easy to descend into our own world of working with detailed models 
and become disconnected from the rest of the world. Regardless of the models, 
it still all comes down to human behavior - weird, irrational human behavior. 
For the intended audience, the paper delivered a conclusion.

However, for the long-time professionals who think they've seen it all and have 
nothing to learn from how the rest of the world approaches learning a complex 
topic, a separate conclusion was explicitly offered: Understanding this 
irrationality IS the point.

That point was missed.

Next time, just email me. Email address is always in the document.

Courtney

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214-601-3628 (tel:214-601-3628)

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