"dramatic headline not withstanding." Some blogs, perhaps out of necessity to publish multiple items each day, turn some things into overripe drama. Some seem more like Page Six of the New York /Post/ with constant stories about who put smelly feet where and which lounge had dirty dishes, often than truly informative, useful information. Apparently, they feel that is what their readers want to see - or it's what they must do in order to get the eyeballs and clicks.
TR ---------------------------------------- *From: *ERIC Smith via Mifnet <mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> *To: *mifnet@lists.mifnet.com *CC: *ERIC Smith <j...@comcast.net> *Date: *2025-09-25T13:04:03Z *Subject: *[Mifnet 🛰 74302] Re: Fw: Watch: Pilots Of American Airlines Flight to Phoenix 'Forget' To Lower Landing Gear In Hair-Raising Mistake > The data was retrieved automatically after the a/c landed. AA has an app > which allows the crew to watch the entire approach over their iPads for a few > days afterward. Probably other airlines have the same thing. >  > /"Within a few seconds, the pilots spot their apparent mistake with the > landing gears starting to lower – likely because a cockpit alert system > designed to prevent exactly this kind of mistake kicked in and sounded a > warning."/ >  > After reading the text again I also went back to look at the video. This time > I paid more attention to the word "likely." We don't actually know that the > crew received any kind of warning at all, and so little real data we don't > know that they went below 1000 ft. Given the interval between one a/c being > cleared for t/o and what appears to the go around I think the crew initiated > the go around very close to 1000 ft +/-. >  > Again, we don't have much hard data so I'll just guess from what I see on the > video. It appears to me that the crew had only Config 1 or maybe 2 as a flap > setting when the video begins. That's consistent with speeds normally used on > a base leg. Perhaps they got an early turn to final, perhaps they had a > tailwind on the approach but in any case they didn't slow down soon enough. >  > The a/c appears to shallow its descent just after the gear is down but before > the gear doors close. This would indicate that the glide path had just been > intercepted and the crew is waiting for the plane to slow before selecting > landing flaps. It became apparent to the crew that they would not slow down > enough by 1000 ft to select landing flaps without over speeding them so they > wisely went around. At AA the approach is unstable in you are at 1000 ft and > the flaps are not fully in position. If the flap lever is in the proper > position but the flaps haven't made it there yet the approach is unstable-a > go around is required. >  > To sum things up, I don't believe the crew "forgot" to lower the gear at all. > Chances are that they initiated a go around before any hairs were raised, > dramatic headline not withstanding. The entire scenario I've laid out could > have happened without any parameters having been exceeded. In that case the > crew would not have received a call from our safety folks to discuss it. AA > has a no-fault go around policy. If a crew goes around at the proper time all > is good, no additional attention required. >  > Eric >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >> On 09/24/2025 11:40 PM EDT Karl L. Swartz via Mifnet >> <mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> wrote: >>  >>  >> Eric, thank your informed details versus my somewhat-educated guesses. >>  >> We don’t actually know WHY they extended the landing gear when they did. >> Based on what your details, had the alert gone off the appropriate reaction >> would have been to initiate the go-around rather than futzing with the >> landing gear, so it’s possible they noticed the missing LG late and tried to >> save it before flying below 1,000 AGL. The important thing is that they >> ultimately did they right thing by going around. >> >>  -- Karl >> >>> On Sep 24, 2025, at 4:38 PM, ERIC Smith via Mifnet >>> <mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> wrote: >>> >>> AA's procedures are that crews must go around from unstable approaches. To >>> be stable at 1000 ft AGL the gear must be down and landing flaps >>> configured, otherwise a go around is required. >>>  >>> For the GPWS to have alerted the crew that the gear was not down the plane >>> must have been well below 1000 ft. >>>  >>> Eric >>>> On 09/24/2025 7:02 PM EDT Karl L. Swartz via Mifnet >>>> <mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> wrote: >>>>  >>>>  >>>> Tom and Tom, >>>>  >>>> The still is from a few seconds into the video. At the beginning, the gear >>>> is up and the gear doors are closed. then they start to extend the gear. >>>> It’s not clear if they started the go-around as the gear was extending or >>>> after it was down (and perhaps locked). >>>>  >>>>  -- Karl >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sep 24, 2025, at 12:06 PM, Tom Ronell via Mifnet >>>>> <mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If they forgot to lower the gear, why are the gear doors open? >>>>> >>>>> TR >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> *From: *Jack Keady via Mifnet <mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> >>>>> *To: *David Wardell via Mifnet <mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> >>>>> *CC: *Jack Keady <jjke...@aol.com> >>>>> *Date: *2025-09-24T18:51:30Z >>>>> *Subject: *[Mifnet 🛰 74282] Fw: Watch: Pilots Of American Airlines Flight >>>>> to Phoenix 'Forget' To Lower Landing Gear In Hair-Raising Mistake >>>>> >>>>> … >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> Revised: 20250507 >>>>> >>>>> You are receiving The Mifnet because you requested to join this list. >>>>> >>>>> The Mifnet is largely a labor of love, however the infrastructure isn't >>>>> exactly cost-free. 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