Jack, Agreed that SLBMs are the ultimate deterrent. The last thing we should be spending $$ on is "Sentinel" land-based ICBMs. (Not to mention impulse-driven misadventures in the Middle East.)
Daniel Solon Mifnavy Apprentice Seaman On Fri, Mar 27, 2026 at 12:13 AM Jack Keady via Mifnet < [email protected]> wrote: > keady - we don't need no stinkin' new bombers. Here's the threat > A Jin-class ballistic missile submarine of the Chinese People's Liberation > Army (PLA) Navy during a military display in the South China Sea. (Reuters) > > SYDNEY — China > <https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia-pacific/2026/03/20/oil-prices-fear-of-trump-china-mysteriously-reduced-warplane-activity-near-taiwan/> > is > conducting a vast undersea mapping and monitoring operation across the > Pacific, Indian and Arctic oceans, building detailed knowledge of marine > conditions that naval experts say would be crucial for waging submarine > <https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2026/02/25/new-commander-of-us-navy-submarine-force-atlantic-takes-over/> > warfare > against the United States > <https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2026/03/16/the-us-has-several-options-to-counter-iranian-mines-these-are-some-key-assets/> > and > its allies. > > In one example, the Dong Fang Hong 3, a research vessel operated by Ocean > University of China, spent 2024 and 2025 sailing back and forth in the seas > near Taiwan > <https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia-pacific/2026/02/02/taiwan-us-firepower-center-to-hone-asymmetric-warfare-tactics/> > and > the U.S. stronghold of Guam > <https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2026/02/11/experts-argue-marine-pullback-in-okinawa-should-be-halted-as-china-threat-rises/>, > and around strategic stretches of the Indian Ocean, ship-tracking data > reviewed by Reuters shows. > > Experts argue Marine pullback in Okinawa should be halted as China threa... > > Tanya Noury > > A plan to shift nearly 10,000 Marines away from Okinawa would dangerously > weaken deterrence against Beijing, war... > > <https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2026/02/11/experts-argue-marine-pullback-in-okinawa-should-be-halted-as-china-threat-rises/> > > > In October 2024, it checked on a set of powerful Chinese ocean sensors > capable of identifying undersea objects near Japan, according to Ocean > University, and visited the same area again last May. And in March 2025, it > criss-crossed the waters between Sri Lanka and Indonesia, covering > approaches to the Malacca Strait, a critical chokepoint for maritime > commerce. > > According to the university, the ship was carrying out mud surveys and > climate research. But a scientific paper co-written by Ocean University > academics shows it has also conducted extensive deep-sea mapping. > > Naval-warfare experts and U.S. Navy officials say the type of deep-sea > data being collected by the Dong Fang Hong 3 – via mapping and placement of > sensors in the ocean – is giving China a picture of the subsea conditions > it would need to deploy its submarines more effectively and hunt down those > of its adversaries. > Dong Fang Hong 3, a deep-sea research vessel, docks at a pier in Qingdao, > Shandong province, China. (cnsphoto via Reuters) > > The Dong Fang Hong 3 isn’t operating alone. It is part of a broader ocean > mapping and monitoring operation involving dozens of research vessels and > hundreds of sensors. > > In tracing this effort, Reuters examined Chinese government and university > records, including journal articles and scientific studies, and analyzed > more than five years of movement by 42 research vessels active in the > Pacific, Indian or Arctic oceans using a ship-tracking platform built by > New Zealand company Starboard Maritime Intelligence. > > While the research has civilian purposes – some of the surveying covers > fishing grounds or areas where China has mineral prospecting contracts – it > also serves a military one, according to nine naval-warfare experts who > reviewed Reuters’ findings. > > To gather information about underwater terrain, research vessels map the > sea floor while traveling back and forth in tight lines. The tracking data > shows that type of movement by the vessels Reuters tracked across large > sections of the Pacific, Indian and Arctic oceans. > > At least eight of the vessels Reuters tracked have conducted seabed > mapping, while another 10 have carried equipment used for mapping, > according to a review of Chinese state media articles, vessel descriptions > published by Chinese universities, and press releases by government > organizations. > > The vessels’ survey data “would be potentially invaluable in preparation > of the battlespace” for Chinese submarines, said Peter Scott, a former > chief of Australia’s submarine force. “Any military submariner worth his > salt will put a great deal of effort into understanding the environment > he’s operating in.” > > The ship-tracking data show that China’s seabed-surveying effort is > focused in part on militarily important waters around the Philippines, near > Guam and Hawaii, and near U.S. military facilities on Wake atoll in the > north Pacific. > > “The scale of what they’re doing is about more than just resources,” said > Jennifer Parker, an adjunct professor of defense and security at the > University of Western Australia and former Australian anti-submarine > warfare officer. “If you look at the sheer extent of it, it’s very clear > that they intend to have an expeditionary blue-water naval capability that > also is built around submarine operations.” > > Moreover, Parker and other experts added, even where data is gathered for > scientific purposes, the integration of civilian scientific research and > military technology development has become a key focus of the Chinese > government under President Xi Jinping. Beijing refers to this approach as > “civil-military fusion.” > > China’s ministries of defense, foreign affairs and natural resources > didn’t respond to requests for comment about the seabed mapping and > ocean-monitoring activities. > > The U.S. Defense Department didn’t respond to questions from Reuters. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Revised: 20250507 > > You are receiving The Mifnet because you requested to join this list. > > The Mifnet is largely a labor of love, however the infrastructure isn't > exactly cost-free. 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