There is no doubt that religion has been a major part of providing structure to the societies they are part of for thousands of years. Thats probably not all bad. It is a problem, though, when religious dogma is becomes a controlling power over the masses for the political leadership. Then the manipulation starts and people are expected to follow without question. I think humans have the capacity to understand the difference between good and bad without the dogma. Good would start with peace, understanding, consensus, appropriate justice, compassion and service. Fortunately, I think the new U.S. president has a good handle on these issues and thats positive for the future.
On Jan 20, 7:07 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey Manfranco, > > Heh I think I'm starting to like you. Here on Minds Eye we do try to > be a little civilised and understanding about others belifes (or > indeed lack of them), and it is not offten that a storm hits us. > > There are a few things though that I would like to take up with you. > > Religion as guide to the uneducated? No I don't belive that is true, > no do I belive that Atheisim is the sole province of the educated > (although I have seen several reports that say the higher the > education the better the chance of being atheist). > > Now of course having said all that I'm gonna completly blow my > position by saying that I am both a beliver in God and not highly > formaly educated at all. > > Your theory well it sounds, umm sound enough to me. I would love to > hear more of it, and I think you'll be supprised at just how many have > had similar thoughts. > > On 20 Jan, 07:41, manfraco FranktheElder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Neil > > > Yes, you can say that it is a matter of morality; but it is also of > > guidance, because religion guides most of the unfortunate people who > > have not been educated and some of them are not able to think clearly > > for themselves, so religion gives them some ideas how to live. > > > What I have said in my last post may seem perhaps exaggerated today, > > and perhaps, I have gone forward too far and too fast in saying what I > > have said, so, it might seem to you a bit out of touch with realities; > > but this theory of mine is how it very well might happen in the > > future. > > I don’t know really what to think when this entire staff comes from > > you educated people of this world who have so much knowledge and you > > are able to express yourself so well as fast as lightning and I salute > > you for that. > > > But may I say this; please don’t continue to put too much pressure on > > the believers of God about their beliefs, and above all about > > providing proof of the existence of God, since this proof is very hard > > to find for anybody, and even harder for them because a large number > > of them are not as lucky and educated as you are. > > > So, may I suggest that you save some of your energy in asking for > > proof of the existence of God and search for the existence of God by > > yourself, as you are in a better position to understand the complexity > > of these things? > > You may start with believing in God yourself, as this is the only way > > to find him. > > You see it is like when you want to login or sign in for the Internet > > and you don’t know the username and password therefore you will never > > be able to find what you want. So, in a parallel way you will never be > > able to find God and the proof of its existence unless you believe in > > God first. > > > Regards > > > Manfraco. > > > On Jan 19, 1:16 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > One can have cake and not eat it Manfraco. I think we may have > > > problems with proof rather than God/s. Most of us don't travel the > > > universe much, but tend to believe the magicians who tell us their > > > theories indicate a very big one, or several - perhaps because they > > > give us trinkets like radios and televisions as colonists once traded > > > beads and hair grips for women and gold. I deeply suspect "science" > > > is part of the same kind of power relation as many understand it. > > > These arguments are bedevilled with thoughts on one side that one > > > cannot be moral without a religion and people like me who wonder how > > > you can have a morality based on daft stories. We could all eat rice > > > from the same bowl peacefully if we worked out the morality. > > > > On 18 Jan, 05:31, manfraco FranktheElder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Greetings to all those that follow Minds Eye group, > > > > > I would like to have my say in this post and state what I believe > > > > about God; my point of view about this post is that both sides stick > > > > to their existing views, perhaps this is done just for argument sake, > > > > so that they keep arguing and enjoy themselves in doing so. > > > > > But, have they ever thought that there might really be a God? And if > > > > there is a god what is this god like? Is this god like the Abraham god > > > > in the Bible? Or, could it be that there is a different god > > > > altogether? > > > > > I have thought a lot about this matter and at the moment I have come > > > > to this conclusion; whish is that there is a god in the universe and > > > > one day I am going to write about my new found beliefs about this god; > > > > that is when my beliefs become more defined and it is easier for me to > > > > write them down. > > > > But now I want just to describe this god in the shortest way > > > > possible. > > > > > I believe that God is life and life is God itself > > > > Therefore one can not exist without the other > > > > And if there wasn’t a God we would not exist or be dead. > > > > > Greeting to you all > > > > > Manfraco > > > > > On Jan 18, 12:21 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > We are beginning to cross threads here and I would rather discuss it > > > > > within the intended thread. So we can move on with it I > > > > > say........... > > > > > > Why don't you just watch and listen for the 20 minutes? Perhaps it is > > > > > like watching a bad movie but "Scanning" through only indicates > > > > > "Predisposition". > > > > > > I don't have a problem with that, but simply stated, I would think it > > > > > best that those who have no interest in participating should not > > > > > participate and further not waste the time to state that they have no > > > > > interest in participating. This of course is more the waste of time > > > > > than actually watching the video. > > > > > > I can see now that it is in fact a very revealing thread in more ways > > > > > than one. > > > > > > Jan 17, 7:35 pm, ornamentalmin <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > "...but of course you couldn't possibly know that, could you? lol" > > > > > > - > > > > > > SD > > > > > > > Of course I could. In fact, even though I may not have said so, I > > > > > > did > > > > > > scan through most of it. I saw what the pictures were and listened > > > > > > to > > > > > > about a second or so of the audio...all the way to the end. I rest > > > > > > my > > > > > > case. > > > > > > > On Jan 17, 3:55 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Biggles would have believed in God - but then he didn't exist > > > > > > > either. > > > > > > > > On 17 Jan, 22:49, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > My comment was meant to be a bit facetious and just as a rib! > > > > > > > > > However, fran has a point that you really could not watch the > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > few minutes of the video and deduce the entire content, as one > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > easily do with the Proofs site. The beginning of the video, the > > > > > > > > middle and the end are different, but of course you couldn't > > > > > > > > possibly > > > > > > > > know that, could you? lol > > > > > > > > > On Jan 17, 4:32 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > uhh, fran, what I meant to imply was that his entire comment > > > > > > > > > (I didn't > > > > > > > > > read the whole thing because after the first few, through > > > > > > > > > deductive > > > > > > > > > reasoning, I got the gist of the entire piece. lol ) is what > > > > > > > > > I could > > > > > > > > > have used as justification for not watching his entire movie. > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 17, 10:51 am, frantheman <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > er ... Orn ... "Slip's" video wasn't paticularly strong on > > > > > > > > > > deductive > > > > > > > > > > reasoning ... :-) In fact, I was reminded of it while > > > > > > > > > > reading some of > > > > > > > > > > the so-called proofs for the existence of God! > > > > > > > > > > > Francis > > > > > > > > > > > On 17 Jan., 19:24, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > "... through deductive reasoning,..." - SD > > > > > > > > > > > > Now why didn't I just say that about your video? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 17, 6:21 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny! > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't read the whole thing because after the first > > > > > > > > > > > > few, through > > > > > > > > > > > > deductive reasoning, I got the gist of the entire > > > > > > > > > > > > piece. lol > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 17, 12:19 am, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They brought it back!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.godlessgeeks.com:80/LINKS/GodProof.htm-Hidequotedtext- > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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