On Jan 20, 12:41 am, manfraco FranktheElder <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Hi Neil
>
> Yes, you can say that it is a matter of morality; but it is also of
> guidance, because religion guides most of the unfortunate people who
> have not been educated and some of them are not able to think clearly
> for themselves, so religion gives them some ideas how to live.
And exactly what standard to atheists use in knowing how to live?
What experience have they received from the external world that would
tell them how to live? Are theists they only dupes on the block?
>
> What I have said in my last post may seem perhaps exaggerated today,
> and perhaps, I have gone forward too far and too fast in saying what I
> have said, so, it might seem to you a bit out of touch with realities;
> but this theory of mine is how it very well might happen in the
> future.
> I don’t know really what to think when this entire staff comes from
> you educated people of this world who have so much knowledge and you
> are able to express yourself so well as fast as lightning and I salute
> you for that.
>
> But may I say this; please don’t continue to put too much pressure on
> the believers of God about their beliefs, and above all about
> providing proof of the existence of God, since this proof is very hard
> to find for anybody, and even harder for them because a large number
> of them are not as lucky and educated as you are.
I presume your being a bit sarcastic here, but still, I will respond
as if not. I only point out that you are assuming that religion is
teaching something to the dupes that would be good. Can you really
speak in such generalities? Wouldn't we have to judge each religion
on its own merits?
>
> So, may I suggest that you save some of your energy in asking for
> proof of the existence of God and search for the existence of God by
> yourself, as you are in a better position to understand the complexity
> of these things?
> You may start with believing in God yourself, as this is the only way
> to find him.
> You see it is like when you want to login or sign in for the Internet
> and you don’t know the username and password therefore you will never
> be able to find what you want. So, in a parallel way you will never be
> able to find God and the proof of its existence unless you believe in
> God first.
>
> Regards
>
> Manfraco.
>
> On Jan 19, 1:16 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > One can have cake and not eat it Manfraco. I think we may have
> > problems with proof rather than God/s. Most of us don't travel the
> > universe much, but tend to believe the magicians who tell us their
> > theories indicate a very big one, or several - perhaps because they
> > give us trinkets like radios and televisions as colonists once traded
> > beads and hair grips for women and gold. I deeply suspect "science"
> > is part of the same kind of power relation as many understand it.
> > These arguments are bedevilled with thoughts on one side that one
> > cannot be moral without a religion and people like me who wonder how
> > you can have a morality based on daft stories. We could all eat rice
> > from the same bowl peacefully if we worked out the morality.
>
> > On 18 Jan, 05:31, manfraco FranktheElder <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Greetings to all those that follow Minds Eye group,
>
> > > I would like to have my say in this post and state what I believe
> > > about God; my point of view about this post is that both sides stick
> > > to their existing views, perhaps this is done just for argument sake,
> > > so that they keep arguing and enjoy themselves in doing so.
>
> > > But, have they ever thought that there might really be a God? And if
> > > there is a god what is this god like? Is this god like the Abraham god
> > > in the Bible? Or, could it be that there is a different god
> > > altogether?
>
> > > I have thought a lot about this matter and at the moment I have come
> > > to this conclusion; whish is that there is a god in the universe and
> > > one day I am going to write about my new found beliefs about this god;
> > > that is when my beliefs become more defined and it is easier for me to
> > > write them down.
> > > But now I want just to describe this god in the shortest way
> > > possible.
>
> > > I believe that God is life and life is God itself
> > > Therefore one can not exist without the other
> > > And if there wasn’t a God we would not exist or be dead.
>
> > > Greeting to you all
>
> > > Manfraco
>
> > > On Jan 18, 12:21 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > We are beginning to cross threads here and I would rather discuss it
> > > > within the intended thread. So we can move on with it I
> > > > say...........
>
> > > > Why don't you just watch and listen for the 20 minutes? Perhaps it is
> > > > like watching a bad movie but "Scanning" through only indicates
> > > > "Predisposition".
>
> > > > I don't have a problem with that, but simply stated, I would think it
> > > > best that those who have no interest in participating should not
> > > > participate and further not waste the time to state that they have no
> > > > interest in participating. This of course is more the waste of time
> > > > than actually watching the video.
>
> > > > I can see now that it is in fact a very revealing thread in more ways
> > > > than one.
>
> > > > Jan 17, 7:35 pm, ornamentalmin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > "...but of course you couldn't possibly know that, could you? lol" -
> > > > > SD
>
> > > > > Of course I could. In fact, even though I may not have said so, I did
> > > > > scan through most of it. I saw what the pictures were and listened to
> > > > > about a second or so of the audio...all the way to the end. I rest my
> > > > > case.
>
> > > > > On Jan 17, 3:55 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Biggles would have believed in God - but then he didn't exist
> > > > > > either.
>
> > > > > > On 17 Jan, 22:49, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > My comment was meant to be a bit facetious and just as a rib!
>
> > > > > > > However, fran has a point that you really could not watch the
> > > > > > > first
> > > > > > > few minutes of the video and deduce the entire content, as one
> > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > easily do with the Proofs site. The beginning of the video, the
> > > > > > > middle and the end are different, but of course you couldn't
> > > > > > > possibly
> > > > > > > know that, could you? lol
>
> > > > > > > On Jan 17, 4:32 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > uhh, fran, what I meant to imply was that his entire comment (I
> > > > > > > > didn't
> > > > > > > > read the whole thing because after the first few, through
> > > > > > > > deductive
> > > > > > > > reasoning, I got the gist of the entire piece. lol ) is what I
> > > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > have used as justification for not watching his entire movie.
>
> > > > > > > > On Jan 17, 10:51 am, frantheman <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > er ... Orn ... "Slip's" video wasn't paticularly strong on
> > > > > > > > > deductive
> > > > > > > > > reasoning ... :-) In fact, I was reminded of it while
> > > > > > > > > reading some of
> > > > > > > > > the so-called proofs for the existence of God!
>
> > > > > > > > > Francis
>
> > > > > > > > > On 17 Jan., 19:24, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > "... through deductive reasoning,..." - SD
>
> > > > > > > > > > Now why didn't I just say that about your video? :-)
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Jan 17, 6:21 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Funny!
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I didn't read the whole thing because after the first
> > > > > > > > > > > few, through
> > > > > > > > > > > deductive reasoning, I got the gist of the entire piece.
> > > > > > > > > > > lol
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 17, 12:19 am, ornamentalmind
> > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > They brought it back!!!
>
> > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.godlessgeeks.com:80/LINKS/GodProof.htm-Hidequotedtext-
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