And furthermore!! I called my attorney the other day and asked "Can you answer Two Questions for $200 and he replied "Sure! What's the Second Question?
On Jan 21, 9:37 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > Furthermore I went to look at some property to the west and discovered > that the stipulations to ownership consisted of........... > No water well drilling............................I guess I have to > pay someone for the water > No livestock including chickens, rabbits, pigs, goats > etc. ................so I guess I have to pay someone else to eat. > Limitation to one out building.......................you got the > picture. > > So I guess to all of that you will tell me that someone (not me of > course) is rising to their full potential. > > I guarantee that when you are in your 60's you will see it for what it > is KC. Of course many of us won't be around for you to share your > awakening with but perhaps you can share it with the future progeny of > your generation. > > Only so many Yachts can fit in the ocean my friend. > > On Jan 21, 9:22 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I never intimated that attorneys were all sneaky. However, a good > > attorney knows the law but a great attorney knows the judge! lol > > > Now we were in a position to get ahead. Each could rise as high as > > his potential allowed. <KC > > > Position to get ahead? As in, I can climb up high on the accumulation > > of dead skulls below me to rise out of the pit and not become another > > skull? Potential based on others falling? Potential that results in > > the displacement of others? > > > Why am I talking about food now? I posted your paragraph (to chris) > > with starts out with >>I think the flaw in your reasoning is that you > > assume if something exists everyone is entitled to it. << KC really > > think about what you are saying. Do you really think that if > > something exists, naturally on this planet, that people are Not > > entitled to it? Man created television not the sun. I am not entitled > > to television but I am entitled to the sun. I am entitled to food and > > water and no one has the right to deprive that entitlement in exchange > > for slavery. > > The existence of heart transplants is not different from the existence > > of plasma TV's, which neither should fall under the category of > > entitlement. Go back a million years KC, food existed, why? So that > > people could gather it all up and "Capitalize" in it's "Existence"? I > > don't think so. > > The initial debate is about capitalism and so because you tangent the > > debate with exclusivity does not in any way divert the base debate. > > > On Jan 21, 8:19 pm, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Jan 21, 6:54 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I see you are going to make a good attorney, hope you pass the bar. > > > > Personally I never could pass a bar without stopping in for at least > > > > one drink. lol > > > > Ok, ok, enough with lawyer jokes. Fact I've been participating on > > > this group long before I ever went to law school. I'm not some sneeky > > > attorney coming on to make unfair arguments. I'm quite sincere. . . . > > > for the record. > > > > > But seriously using the heart transplant surgical procedure as > > > > analogous to resource entitlement is a bit of a legalese stretch. > > > > Eating food is not an organ transplant. Everyone born "IS" entitled to > > > > eat. Food is not a man made commodity but a given planetary resource, > > > > the sun shines because it exists naturally within our solar system and > > > > therefore we are entitled to sit out in it. > > > > Why are you talking about food now? My argument never mentioned food > > > once. I've been talking exclusively about medical care and > > > education. Food is a whole 'nother topic all together. One that I > > > could respond to, but seems would sidetrack the initial debate. > > > > > FACT: If capitalists > > > > could harness the sun and charge people for it they would, regardless > > > > of the diseases that would occur from the lack of affordability. They > > > > would also charge for the air we breath and the rain that falls. > > > > Really? That's a fact? Who are these "capitalists" of which you > > > speak? Yes, people want to make a buck. Some bad people want to make > > > a buck unfairly. Does that mean we lump all of those people who want > > > to make a buck into one lump group? That seems unfair, and > > > uncharitable. In fact, the principles of free market capitalism do > > > not suggest such an endeavor. > > > > > Fortunately they have not been able to sell sunshine and rain but > > > > unfortunately they have been able to sell food. Aside from that much > > > > of the food they sell has now become GMF's which are increasingly > > > > turning up with the exclusion of seeds that allow people to grow their > > > > own crops. I've noticed that many vegetables not only lack taste but > > > > are comprised of 95% pulp which makes for more weight which makes for > > > > more "profit". I feel very fortunate to have a supplier that > > > > propagates "heirloom" vegetable plants, and I can tell you that when I > > > > bite into one of my tomatoes it's like going back in time. Let's not > > > > forget mad cow which is the result of cow cannibalism thanks to the > > > > infinite wisdom of the capitalist cattle rancher. > > > > OK back on track. I think the idea is to merely socialize those basic > > > > needs that without which lead to needless suffering. > > > > Needless suffering is what made us turn to free market capitalism to > > > begin with. We realized that the rich monarchs and aristocrats were > > > never going to just give us a piece of the pie. Revolution after > > > revolution, we finally broke away from those bastards and got what we > > > wanted all along, there feet off our necks. Now we were in a position > > > to get ahead. Each could rise as high as his potential allowed. > > > Capitalism does just that. Of course it doesn't do so perfectly, but > > > no system is perfect. > > > > > I don't see why > > > > people have such a problem with it. Some say that society will no > > > > longer be motivated but in reality people are forced into motivation. > > > > Suppose I don't want to have anything in life aside from my basic need > > > > for food and shelter? Is this the MO of the Hobo community? Isn't it > > > > OK that I don't want to be a cog in the wheel of corporate society? > > > > The "bottom line" is that the wealthy survive because people need to > > > > eat but more so because people have to "buy" the food they eat and > > > > "buy" the shelter in which they live. > > > > And what would we have to do in a state of nature? You would have to > > > work your ass off 100 hours a week just to live on the edge of > > > subsistence, and with a life expectancy of 20 years. Thats life my > > > friend. Free market capitalism has made it possible for us all to > > > live upwards of 80 years, and to do so without having to work 100 > > > hours each week. Most people don't work over 40 hours a week. > > > > > I'm still staggering at the thought that the government wants me to > > > > pay to bail out the bank that charges me interest on a credit card. > > > > I know, makes me sick too. Bastard socialists! > > > > > So now I have to pay the bank so they can lend me my own money that I > > > > have to pay back with interest. I just don't get it. Capitalism or a > > > > Corrupt Corporate Run Government? Who is in charge here? Really! > > > > I'm with you! Trust me! I'm saying the same thing. The gov't is > > > ruining free market capitalism. > > > > > I know I'm just a schlep in the world and don't really ask for much > > > > other than what I can provide for myself and mine but my compassion > > > > goes out to the world as a whole. If there is anything in the world > > > > that should be outlawed it is "people capitalizing on other peoples > > > > needs". > > > > Have you ever noticed how the lion trainer gets the lion to do tricks > > > > by giving him little food treats? > > > > Is it any different with people? > > > > Is it too much to ask to have something to eat? (while the rich dine > > > > on caviar and such) > > > > I don't care that the rich are rich, that is their curse but I do care > > > > that the poor are poor. > > > > No one in suffering has ever crossed my path that I did not lend a > > > > hand to help! > > > > That is because I am not a capitalist. > > > > So capitalists are by nature uncharitable? Again, I think such an > > > accusation is uncharitable. > > > > > On Jan 21, 6:45 pm, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > So Chris, your saying the problem with the world isn't too much > > > > > government but too little government? I'd have to disagree with you > > > > > there. > > > > > > I think the flaw in your reasoning is that you assume if something > > > > > exists everyone is entitled to it. Brain, heart, and lung transplants > > > > > may either be possible, or in the future possible, but they are modern > > > > > marvels. No one is entitled to these things. The procedures take a > > > > > lot of money, time, and expenses to research and implement. People > > > > > put their heart and soul into such ventures because they believe that > > > > > it will mean a big pay check in their futures. Not everyone is going > > > > > to be able to afford a heart transplant. The most obvious reason is > > > > > not everyone can afford one. Not to mention their aren't enough spare > > > > > hearts lying around. > > > > > > The countries who have tried to implement socialism have ended up with > > > > > countries that cannot keep up with those who have not. The only > > > > > reason that medicine had continued to advance in today's modern > > > > > society is because America is still relatively capitalistic. We will > > > > > pay the big bucks for the research and procedures and so people still > > > > > keep working to make it happen. But if we adopt medical care like > > > > > Canada's and England's, I think you can kiss credible medical research > > > > > goodbye. > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
