Capitalism> Big banks , auto manufacturers and wall street tycoons
make billions of dollars with CEO perks in the millions.
Socialism> Government takes your money and hands it over to failing
big banks, auto manufacturers and wall street tycoons.
Povertyism> You don't have any money because you don't have any money.



On Jan 22, 2:24 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> I worked for quite a while in Scandinavia.  Even there (as "socialist"
> as it gets) no one has any truck with freeloading bums.  In the old
> Soviet Empire (which was supposed to be lots of little soviets) there
> was little opportunity to do sod all and a lot of forced labour.
> Great hardship followed the democratisation, and the poor generally
> still feel they are worse off.  All the Soviet Block had the "Zil
> Chill" factor - voices going to a whisper as one was seen - the
> Scandinavians just cold weather.  We need to re-examine what Sino-
> Soviet communism was.  It was certainly state capitalist and to a
> considerable extent driven by madmen.  How might we evaluate it
> against Pakistani tribalism?  Are the Russians laughing now we are
> stuck with their war in Afghanistan?  Crucially, we need to see what
> has been done to ourselves through obvious and less obvious
> rhetorics.  There are, amazingly, still some "golden Stalinist age"
> idiots about, but there are far more who soaked up the idiot messages
> of "capitalism" as dumbly as any docile body in the East.
>
> On 22 Jan, 05:58, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Why am I talking about food now? I posted your paragraph (to chris)
> > > with starts out with >>I think the flaw in your reasoning is that you
> > > assume if something exists everyone is entitled to it. << KC really
> > > think about what you are saying.  Do you really think that if
> > > something exists, naturally on this planet, that people are Not
> > > entitled to it?  
>
> > That's the point.  In the context of my response to Chris, it was
> > clear that my point was, everyone is not entitled to something just
> > because it is.  And what I was referring to was modern marvels in
> > medicine.  I didn't follow that up with an argument that no one is
> > entitled to anything.  I never made such a broad sweeping argument.
>
> > > The existence of heart transplants is not different from the existence
> > > of plasma TV's, which neither should fall under the category of
> > > entitlement.  
>
> > Good, then we are in agreement.
>
> > > Go back a million years KC, food existed, why? So that
> > > people could gather it all up and "Capitalize" in it's "Existence"?  I
> > > don't think so.
>
> > The amount of food that existed back then wouldn't have been
> > sufficient to sustain the population we have now.  High capacity
> > production of food is not essential for our survival.
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