I'd have to concur (minus the full of shit, part, mind you..) ;) The Pasteur Institute wouldn't mind at all if US research disappeared entirely...nor would the Svensk Institute, or any of the rest of the Biomedical research facilities in the world. Craig, I hate to say it, but your colonialism is showing. We are far from world leaders in innovations in science, a fact noted by the incoming president, who has made it a goal to return us there. What do we have that compares to CERN, for instance?
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:35 PM, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Jan 22, 12:45 am, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > > So Chris, your saying the problem with the world isn't too much > > government but too little government? I'd have to disagree with you > > there. > > > > I think the flaw in your reasoning is that you assume if something > > exists everyone is entitled to it. Brain, heart, and lung transplants > > may either be possible, or in the future possible, but they are modern > > marvels. No one is entitled to these things. The procedures take a > > lot of money, time, and expenses to research and implement. People > > put their heart and soul into such ventures because they believe that > > it will mean a big pay check in their futures. Not everyone is going > > to be able to afford a heart transplant. The most obvious reason is > > not everyone can afford one. Not to mention their aren't enough spare > > hearts lying around. > > > > The countries who have tried to implement socialism have ended up with > > countries that cannot keep up with those who have not. The only > > reason that medicine had continued to advance in today's modern > > society is because America is still relatively capitalistic. We will > > pay the big bucks for the research and procedures and so people still > > keep working to make it happen. But if we adopt medical care like > > Canada's and England's, I think you can kiss credible medical research > > goodbye. > > Full of shit! The vast majority of medical innovation has come from > Europe. The USA is restricted by its obsession with money making. > Most medical innovation requires funding for pure science and > uneconomic investigation and procedures. You are blighted by a typical > American blinkered view of the world which assumes that the USA is > better than everyone else. Truth is it aint. > > > > > > > And Education in our society is already socialist. How are you going > > to make it more Socialist? My contention is that the problem with our > > education today is precisely because its Socialist. If we privatized > > education, made the institutions compete, made the teachers compete, > > then our educational system would be much more competitive. > > If you abandoned publicly funded eduction within one generation all > the skilled work (what is left of it) would continue to go abroad to > countries with people who know how to read and write. The USA would > become a banana republic in a 30 years. > > > > > > On Jan 21, 2:25 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 4:17 PM, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 20, 7:16 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I've always had trouble with "capitalism" - the word hardly appears > in > > > > > Marx and I've never seen any satisfactory definitions of it as a > > > > > phenomena. > > > > > > As a phenomenon it is highly misunderstood and applied for dubious > > > > political purposes. On another Newsgroup I was shocked to see this > > > > statement in response to my accusation that the writer had no idea > > > > what socialism was except as a thing to be destroyed to protect us > all > > > > from evil. > > > > "I take socialism to be the opposite of capitalism. Capitalism is a > > > > social system based on respect for individual liberty. Socialism is > a > > > > social system based on lack of respect for individual liberty. " > > > > (I shit you not!) > > > > This is unbelievable that anyone could have such a stilted view > point. > > > > Capitalism is not a social system, but a description of an economic > > > > process. > > > > > It all started when we were taught about the United Soviet SOCIALIST > > > Republic, AKA The Dirty Commies... ;) > > > > > As someone who's lived both here, and in many Socialist countries, I > think > > > we could use a healthy dash of Socialism at home, particularly in the > areas > > > of Education and Healthcare. > > > > > > Performance targets? Tracking? Key Skills? Transferable Skills? CPD? > > > > Evidence based performance related target? BS? Mangement Speak? > > > > > I believe I can create some effective 3-6 month trending reports which > will > > > help visualize the KPI in question. The data is indisputable. Metrics > don't > > > lie. > > > > > Of course, the people presenting them do... > > > > > > People still > > > > > managing express concerns that honesty is long gone, but do this > > > > > quietly because they fear talking of it is career suicide. I > wonder > > > > > if we have confused "capitalism" with some desire to be free of > power- > > > > > > (See above!) > > > > > > > freaks and somehow let it into our lives in ways we should have > > > > > resisted? Everyone is admitting in private (questionnaires etc.) > that > > > > > they are routinely lying - I actually find some very confused > people > > > > > in my practical examinations of organisations - and would like to > > > > > establish why I feel this is worse now than ever before in my life. > I > > > > > got used to lies as a cop, but this current stuff is something > else, > > > > > more like a disease. > > > > > It's pretty obvious that Enron was the key model underlying > > > > > "capitalist" activity. In a similar sense Baby P is probably not > an > > > > > exception but the rule. Lying connects activity in public and > private > > > > > sectors, along with brazen denials that anything is going wrong. > Our > > > > > bwankers have clearly been sitting on top of one hell of a barrel > of > > > > > stealing that dwarfs Enron. > > > > > I haven't heard the world stop as all this money drops from sight > > > > > under the magician's cape. I wonder if we could start again > without > > > > > these parasites? > > > > > > Yes there is a place called Utopia. Get your one way tickets! > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
