What HAD you been smoking at the time, Pat? :-)
On 23 Jan., 13:22, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 23 Jan, 11:39, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Some of my best friends are animals Lee! Especially when well duped
> > on a Friday night.
>
> I'd have thought ALL of your friends, best or not, are animals.
> Although I have spoken to a few plants in my time, I never struck up a
> friendship. I suppose, not wanting to be seen to be 'vegist', that it
> wasn't that the plant was unfriendly, but that I, obviously, wasn't
> able to properly sense all the plant hormones that they use to
> communicate. ;-)
>
> > On 23 Jan, 11:06, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Heh I'm not dupeist! Some of my best freinds are dupes! Now why does
> > > that sound familier?
>
> > > On 21 Jan, 12:53, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Not at all! In fact, some of my my best friends are dupes... ;-)
>
> > > > [ Attached Message ]From:Kierkecraig
> > > > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\""
> > > > <[email protected]>Date:Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:05:08 -0800
> > > > (PST)Local:Wed 21 Jan 2009 02:05Subject:[Mind's Eye] Re: proof of god
>
> > > > Even if theists are dupes, does that preclude atheists from being
> > > > dupes?
>
> > > > On Jan 20, 1:43 pm, "Chris Jenkins" <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > By measuring the selfish as individuals, and by measuring the relative
> > > > > selfish as "Quality of Life" as members of a society.
> > > > > This is why you are a Law guy and not a sociologist. ;)
>
> > > > > However, that's entirely a different question from whether or not
> > > > > theists
> > > > > are dupes. That's a question for the philosophers.
>
> > > > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Kierkecraig
> > > > > <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jan 20, 12:41 am, manfraco FranktheElder <[email protected]>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Neil
>
> > > > > > > Yes, you can say that it is a matter of morality; but it is also
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > guidance, because religion guides most of the unfortunate people
> > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > have not been educated and some of them are not able to think
> > > > > > > clearly
> > > > > > > for themselves, so religion gives them some ideas how to live.
>
> > > > > > And exactly what standard to atheists use in knowing how to live?
> > > > > > What experience have they received from the external world that
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > tell them how to live? Are theists they only dupes on the block?
>
> > > > > > > What I have said in my last post may seem perhaps exaggerated
> > > > > > > today,
> > > > > > > and perhaps, I have gone forward too far and too fast in saying
> > > > > > > what I
> > > > > > > have said, so, it might seem to you a bit out of touch with
> > > > > > > realities;
> > > > > > > but this theory of mine is how it very well might happen in the
> > > > > > > future.
> > > > > > > I don't know really what to think when this entire staff comes
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > you educated people of this world who have so much knowledge and
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > are able to express yourself so well as fast as lightning and I
> > > > > > > salute
> > > > > > > you for that.
>
> > > > > > > But may I say this; please don't continue to put too much
> > > > > > > pressure on
> > > > > > > the believers of God about their beliefs, and above all about
> > > > > > > providing proof of the existence of God, since this proof is very
> > > > > > > hard
> > > > > > > to find for anybody, and even harder for them because a large
> > > > > > > number
> > > > > > > of them are not as lucky and educated as you are.
>
> > > > > > I presume your being a bit sarcastic here, but still, I will respond
> > > > > > as if not. I only point out that you are assuming that religion is
> > > > > > teaching something to the dupes that would be good. Can you really
> > > > > > speak in such generalities? Wouldn't we have to judge each religion
> > > > > > on its own merits?
>
> > > > > > > So, may I suggest that you save some of your energy in asking for
> > > > > > > proof of the existence of God and search for the existence of God
> > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > yourself, as you are in a better position to understand the
> > > > > > > complexity
> > > > > > > of these things?
> > > > > > > You may start with believing in God yourself, as this is the only
> > > > > > > way
> > > > > > > to find him.
> > > > > > > You see it is like when you want to login or sign in for the
> > > > > > > Internet
> > > > > > > and you don't know the username and password therefore you will
> > > > > > > never
> > > > > > > be able to find what you want. So, in a parallel way you will
> > > > > > > never be
> > > > > > > able to find God and the proof of its existence unless you
> > > > > > > believe in
> > > > > > > God first.
>
> > > > > > > Regards
>
> > > > > > > Manfraco.
>
> > > > > > > On Jan 19, 1:16 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > One can have cake and not eat it Manfraco. I think we may have
> > > > > > > > problems with proof rather than God/s. Most of us don't travel
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > universe much, but tend to believe the magicians who tell us
> > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > theories indicate a very big one, or several - perhaps because
> > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > give us trinkets like radios and televisions as colonists once
> > > > > > > > traded
> > > > > > > > beads and hair grips for women and gold. I deeply suspect
> > > > > > > > "science"
> > > > > > > > is part of the same kind of power relation as many understand
> > > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > These arguments are bedevilled with thoughts on one side that
> > > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > cannot be moral without a religion and people like me who
> > > > > > > > wonder how
> > > > > > > > you can have a morality based on daft stories. We could all
> > > > > > > > eat rice
> > > > > > > > from the same bowl peacefully if we worked out the morality.
>
> > > > > > > > On 18 Jan, 05:31, manfraco FranktheElder <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Greetings to all those that follow Minds Eye group,
>
> > > > > > > > > I would like to have my say in this post and state what I
> > > > > > > > > believe
> > > > > > > > > about God; my point of view about this post is that both
> > > > > > > > > sides stick
> > > > > > > > > to their existing views, perhaps this is done just for
> > > > > > > > > argument sake,
> > > > > > > > > so that they keep arguing and enjoy themselves in doing so.
>
> > > > > > > > > But, have they ever thought that there might really be a God?
> > > > > > > > > And if
> > > > > > > > > there is a god what is this god like? Is this god like the
> > > > > > > > > Abraham
> > > > > > god
> > > > > > > > > in the Bible? Or, could it be that there is a different god
> > > > > > > > > altogether?
>
> > > > > > > > > I have thought a lot about this matter and at the moment I
> > > > > > > > > have come
> > > > > > > > > to this conclusion; whish is that there is a god in the
> > > > > > > > > universe and
> > > > > > > > > one day I am going to write about my new found beliefs about
> > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > god;
> > > > > > > > > that is when my beliefs become more defined and it is easier
> > > > > > > > > for me
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > write them down.
> > > > > > > > > But now I want just to describe this god in the shortest way
> > > > > > > > > possible.
>
> > > > > > > > > I believe that God is life and life is God itself
> > > > > > > > > Therefore one can not exist without the other
> > > > > > > > > And if there wasn't a God we would not exist or be dead.
>
> > > > > > > > > Greeting to you all
>
> > > > > > > > > Manfraco
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jan 18, 12:21 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > We are beginning to cross threads here and I would rather
> > > > > > > > > > discuss
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > within the intended thread. So we can move on with it I
> > > > > > > > > > say...........
>
> > > > > > > > > > Why don't you just watch and listen for the 20 minutes?
> > > > > > > > > > Perhaps it
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > like watching a bad movie but "Scanning" through only
> > > > > > > > > > indicates
> > > > > > > > > > "Predisposition".
>
> > > > > > > > > > I don't have a problem with that, but simply stated, I
> > > > > > > > > > would think
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > best that those who have no interest in participating
> > > > > > > > > > should not
> > > > > > > > > > participate and further not waste the time to state that
> > > > > > > > > > they have
> > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > interest in participating. This of course is more the
> > > > > > > > > > waste of
> > > > > > time
> > > > > > > > > > than actually watching the video.
>
> > > > > > > > > > I can see now that it is in fact a very revealing thread in
> > > > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > ways
> > > > > > > > > > than one.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Jan 17, 7:35 pm, ornamentalmin <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > "...but of course you couldn't possibly know that, could
> > > > > > > > > > > you?
> > > > > > lol" -
> > > > > > > > > > > SD
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Of course I could. In fact, even though I may not have
> > > > > > > > > > > said so, I
> > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > > > scan through most of it. I saw what the pictures were and
> > > > > > listened to
> > > > > > > > > > > about a second or so of the audio...all the way to the
> > > > > > > > > > > end. I
> > > > > > rest my
> > > > > > > > > > > case.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 17, 3:55 pm, archytas <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Biggles would have believed in God - but then he didn't
> > > > > > > > > > > > exist
> > > > > > either.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 17 Jan, 22:49, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > My comment was meant to be a bit facetious and just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > as a rib!
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > However, fran has a point that you really could not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > watch the
> > > > > > first
> > > > > > > > > > > > > few minutes of the video and deduce the entire
> > > > > > > > > > > > > content, as
> > > > > > one could
> > > > > > > > > > > > > easily do with the Proofs site. The beginning of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > video,
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > middle and the end are different, but of course you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > couldn't
> > > > > > possibly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > know that, could you? lol
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 17, 4:32 pm, ornamentalmind
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>
> > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > uhh, fran, what I meant to imply was that his entire
> > > > > > comment (I didn't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the whole thing because after the first few,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > deductive
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > reasoning, I got the gist of the entire piece. lol
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ) is
>
> ...
>
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