Ohh what a pity, I well remeber both the occason and the pride I felt when I witnessed my oldest boy hug his first tree!
On 23 Jan, 12:22, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 23 Jan, 11:39, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Some of my best friends are animals Lee! Especially when well duped > > on a Friday night. > > I'd have thought ALL of your friends, best or not, are animals. > Although I have spoken to a few plants in my time, I never struck up a > friendship. I suppose, not wanting to be seen to be 'vegist', that it > wasn't that the plant was unfriendly, but that I, obviously, wasn't > able to properly sense all the plant hormones that they use to > communicate. ;-) > > > > > On 23 Jan, 11:06, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Heh I'm not dupeist! Some of my best freinds are dupes! Now why does > > > that sound familier? > > > > On 21 Jan, 12:53, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Not at all! In fact, some of my my best friends are dupes... ;-) > > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:Kierkecraig > > > > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > > > > <[email protected]>Date:Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:05:08 -0800 > > > > (PST)Local:Wed 21 Jan 2009 02:05Subject:[Mind's Eye] Re: proof of god > > > > > Even if theists are dupes, does that preclude atheists from being > > > > dupes? > > > > > On Jan 20, 1:43 pm, "Chris Jenkins" <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > By measuring the selfish as individuals, and by measuring the relative > > > > > selfish as "Quality of Life" as members of a society. > > > > > This is why you are a Law guy and not a sociologist. ;) > > > > > > However, that's entirely a different question from whether or not > > > > > theists > > > > > are dupes. That's a question for the philosophers. > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Kierkecraig > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > On Jan 20, 12:41 am, manfraco FranktheElder <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Neil > > > > > > > > Yes, you can say that it is a matter of morality; but it is also > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > guidance, because religion guides most of the unfortunate people > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > have not been educated and some of them are not able to think > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > for themselves, so religion gives them some ideas how to live. > > > > > > > And exactly what standard to atheists use in knowing how to live? > > > > > > What experience have they received from the external world that > > > > > > would > > > > > > tell them how to live? Are theists they only dupes on the block? > > > > > > > > What I have said in my last post may seem perhaps exaggerated > > > > > > > today, > > > > > > > and perhaps, I have gone forward too far and too fast in saying > > > > > > > what I > > > > > > > have said, so, it might seem to you a bit out of touch with > > > > > > > realities; > > > > > > > but this theory of mine is how it very well might happen in the > > > > > > > future. > > > > > > > I don't know really what to think when this entire staff comes > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > you educated people of this world who have so much knowledge and > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > are able to express yourself so well as fast as lightning and I > > > > > > > salute > > > > > > > you for that. > > > > > > > > But may I say this; please don't continue to put too much > > > > > > > pressure on > > > > > > > the believers of God about their beliefs, and above all about > > > > > > > providing proof of the existence of God, since this proof is very > > > > > > > hard > > > > > > > to find for anybody, and even harder for them because a large > > > > > > > number > > > > > > > of them are not as lucky and educated as you are. > > > > > > > I presume your being a bit sarcastic here, but still, I will respond > > > > > > as if not. I only point out that you are assuming that religion is > > > > > > teaching something to the dupes that would be good. Can you really > > > > > > speak in such generalities? Wouldn't we have to judge each religion > > > > > > on its own merits? > > > > > > > > So, may I suggest that you save some of your energy in asking for > > > > > > > proof of the existence of God and search for the existence of God > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > yourself, as you are in a better position to understand the > > > > > > > complexity > > > > > > > of these things? > > > > > > > You may start with believing in God yourself, as this is the only > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > to find him. > > > > > > > You see it is like when you want to login or sign in for the > > > > > > > Internet > > > > > > > and you don't know the username and password therefore you will > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > be able to find what you want. So, in a parallel way you will > > > > > > > never be > > > > > > > able to find God and the proof of its existence unless you > > > > > > > believe in > > > > > > > God first. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Manfraco. > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 1:16 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > One can have cake and not eat it Manfraco. I think we may have > > > > > > > > problems with proof rather than God/s. Most of us don't travel > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > universe much, but tend to believe the magicians who tell us > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > theories indicate a very big one, or several - perhaps because > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > give us trinkets like radios and televisions as colonists once > > > > > > > > traded > > > > > > > > beads and hair grips for women and gold. I deeply suspect > > > > > > > > "science" > > > > > > > > is part of the same kind of power relation as many understand > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > These arguments are bedevilled with thoughts on one side that > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > cannot be moral without a religion and people like me who > > > > > > > > wonder how > > > > > > > > you can have a morality based on daft stories. We could all > > > > > > > > eat rice > > > > > > > > from the same bowl peacefully if we worked out the morality. > > > > > > > > > On 18 Jan, 05:31, manfraco FranktheElder <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Greetings to all those that follow Minds Eye group, > > > > > > > > > > I would like to have my say in this post and state what I > > > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > > about God; my point of view about this post is that both > > > > > > > > > sides stick > > > > > > > > > to their existing views, perhaps this is done just for > > > > > > > > > argument sake, > > > > > > > > > so that they keep arguing and enjoy themselves in doing so. > > > > > > > > > > But, have they ever thought that there might really be a God? > > > > > > > > > And if > > > > > > > > > there is a god what is this god like? Is this god like the > > > > > > > > > Abraham > > > > > > god > > > > > > > > > in the Bible? Or, could it be that there is a different god > > > > > > > > > altogether? > > > > > > > > > > I have thought a lot about this matter and at the moment I > > > > > > > > > have come > > > > > > > > > to this conclusion; whish is that there is a god in the > > > > > > > > > universe and > > > > > > > > > one day I am going to write about my new found beliefs about > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > god; > > > > > > > > > that is when my beliefs become more defined and it is easier > > > > > > > > > for me > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > write them down. > > > > > > > > > But now I want just to describe this god in the shortest way > > > > > > > > > possible. > > > > > > > > > > I believe that God is life and life is God itself > > > > > > > > > Therefore one can not exist without the other > > > > > > > > > And if there wasn't a God we would not exist or be dead. > > > > > > > > > > Greeting to you all > > > > > > > > > > Manfraco > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 18, 12:21 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > We are beginning to cross threads here and I would rather > > > > > > > > > > discuss > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > within the intended thread. So we can move on with it I > > > > > > > > > > say........... > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you just watch and listen for the 20 minutes? > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > like watching a bad movie but "Scanning" through only > > > > > > > > > > indicates > > > > > > > > > > "Predisposition". > > > > > > > > > > > I don't have a problem with that, but simply stated, I > > > > > > > > > > would think > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > best that those who have no interest in participating > > > > > > > > > > should not > > > > > > > > > > participate and further not waste the time to state that > > > > > > > > > > they have > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > interest in participating. This of course is more the > > > > > > > > > > waste of > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > than actually watching the video. > > > > > > > > > > > I can see now that it is in fact a very revealing thread in > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > ways > > > > > > > > > > than one. > > > > > > > > > > > Jan 17, 7:35 pm, ornamentalmin <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > "...but of course you couldn't possibly know that, could > > > > > > > > > > > you? > > > > > > lol" - > > > > > > > > > > > SD > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course I could. In fact, even though I may not have > > > > > > > > > > > said so, I > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > scan through most of it. I saw what the pictures were and > > > > > > listened to > > > > > > > > > > > about a second or so of the audio...all the way to the > > > > > > > > > > > end. I > > > > > > rest my > > > > > > > > > > > case. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 17, 3:55 pm, archytas <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biggles would have believed in God - but then he didn't > > > > > > > > > > > > exist > > > > > > either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17 Jan, 22:49, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My comment was meant to be a bit facetious and just > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a rib! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, fran has a point that you really could not > > > > > > > > > > > > > watch the > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > few minutes of the video and deduce the entire > > > > > > > > > > > > > content, as > > > > > > one could > > > > > > > > > > > > > easily do with the Proofs site. The beginning of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > video, > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > middle and the end are different, but of course you > > > > > > > > > > > > > couldn't > > > > > > possibly > > > > > > > > > > > > > know that, could you? lol > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 17, 4:32 pm, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uhh, fran, what I meant to imply was that his entire > > > > > > comment (I didn't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the whole thing because after the first few, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > deductive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reasoning, I got the gist of the entire piece. lol > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ) is > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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